And then when we've done we come on here and get slagged off by people who haven't got a clue what they are on about! Teaching; The thankless job.

 

I was qualified to teach also but in different subjects to schoolteachers. You have my sympathy with what you have to cope with nevertheless.

Les

 

With all due respect, I know a WHOLE lot more about the detail than you think I do - I am speaking from a position of absolute knowledge.

In my (VAST) experience - to NOT move up the threshold payments is so amazing that I would have noticed any who fail to meet the questionable criteria. I think I have known 2 Teachers fail in moving over the threshold, just 2! Looks pretty much Automatic in my experience.

Excellent Teacher Scheme unheard of? I have approved a few ... I'm not sure where you get your information from?

TLR's hard to come by?? Do me a favour!! About 50% of the Teachers I know are in receipt of them!

Ignore the Militant rantings from the NUT ..... the other Unions are not in dispute, in fact only 20% of NUT Members have walked out or plan to!

Every NUT Teacher in my College are putting the children first and realise that they have done very well, thank you very much, over the last 10 years!

 

Pete

Cloud and cuckoo land spring to mind

Your experiance may be so

Mine which is considerable in both teaching and LA tells a vastly different story

Your not always right

 

Pete knows relatively sweet FA about anything if truth be known.

 

Oh dear

 

You forget that without Pete his local Morrissons would be chock-a-bloc with disguarded shopping carts, so, show some fecking respect!

 

'Pete', every teacher in your college? So you're no longer a 72 year old? The person you pretend to be changes every week!

Even if you do know as much as you claim (which I seriously doubt) I think it's a case of you running around calling 'wolf' one too many times.

Credit to you though, I am surprised none of your other aliases have popped up yet to back you up!

 

I would like you to expand upon why an elderly person cannot have had a HUGE amount of experience in the Education system over the past 20 years?

 

I don't know any current teachers in their 70's, you must have retired what 15/20 years ago yet you still claim to be heavily involved? Get a grip man/girl/boy whatever you are.
I'd love to see a list of everything you claim to have been on here, class clown would certainly be top!

 

 

You are indicating to everyone reading this why the Governors and Headteacher at your School are not rewarding you with a decent salary. I'm assuming you are an NQT aged very early 20's ..... am I close?

 

Why ? they are already overpaid for what they do and they can do plenty of extra work during their hollidays. All 98 days of it. If they don't like it get another job.

 

And you are indicating why most people on this forum think you are a tosser!
As with most of your comments on this thread, you assume wrong.

 

Don't talk ****e.

If you are happy for the current generation of kids to be taught by poor teachers then keep whinging and banging on and hope that the profession sinks into nothing more than lowly paid child minders, I myself would prefer to pay teachers more and get a better crop of educators.

Poor initial pay, and capped long term earnings mean the profession will only attract the lower ability NQT's but if you lot are happy with that then so be it.

Teaching was a major profession at one time.

 

I agree with the above completely. Teachers need to be put much further than they are in the pecking order as they are who we are relying on to keep our country at the forefront of knowledge.

Punishing the average person because they don't get this is a complete waste of time. Solves nothing, the government won't suddenly say have some more money we are sorry.

IIRC they had the head of the NUT on breakfast this morning. She was pushed on the subject of striking affecting the children taking exams. She had to be asked 3 times before she admitted it will affect them. Well done, so not only have they caused hardship to the parents, they also endanger the future of the children. How clever!

 

Just like to say that I agree that Pete is a t*sser!

I do think that strike action is a bit over the top, as I understand it teachers have been offered 2.5%, which is as much as anyone else in the public sector and their pay is already better than others such as nurses. They have very good job security, good pension and they do get more time off than almost any other workers.

With the credit crunch looming I think teachers need to look around them and get a dose of reality.

PS. I will not be getting any pay rise this year and I won't be striking.

 

for what its worth i think kids nowadays are a hell of a lot worse to teach then when i was in school

wifey (student teacher) had to make a statement yesterday to the police, one of the kids tried to poison the teacher that was looking after her

some mad crazy chemical was poured into a can of coke kid taken away by police and locked up

wifey has had to go into school today as student teachers are not protected against striking, which i thought was rather amusing, chants of "SCAB" were heard from our dwelling

 

Most of todays teachers are rubbish anyway I can clearly remember the teachers I had who were good and there was never very many of them. I know 8 teachers all of whom followed that route because it was being pushed very hard at universities in the UK at the time we where there and it involved more government cash to train, extra years of drug taking at UNI and the chance to get great holidays. The honest fact is that most teachers are incapable of earning anything like their current salary anywhere else. I know people who tried the real world then fell on teaching as it paid well and gave great holidays. I know teachers who admit that they are overpaid and the good ones end up in private schools anyway. Market forces should decide wages not strikes.
If they don't like their pay then why not get a better paid job somewhere else ? Its because they can't.

 

the college i go to had a teacher training strike but only years 9 10 and 11 im in 6th form so i had to still go in what was a shame but i got pissed up so wasn't too bad

 

Absolute nonsense.

Can you back up your statement of "most of todays teachers are rubbish anyway"? I take it your job is to vet the teaching skills of the entire country so your "statements" (bull****) can be backed up?

With your grammatical skills I doubt very much you had any decent teachers whilst growing up.

Its attitudes like yours that have made this country such a stinking place to live, you happily place teaching as a lowly, undeserving career and I can gaurantee you have no children as you have so little interest in the future or in the teaching profession.

I will repeat, if we as a nation are happy to have poorly educated children in the future then carry on de-valuing the teaching profession, and taking the **** at any opportunity, your "reward" in 20 years will be a country that is 30 times worse than it is now with very poor standards of living.

I myself would prefer to pay teachers (and nurses, and the emergency services) what they should get to make the profession attractive to the elite.

 

You seemed to have ignored the fact that many teachers are very happy with what they get and the majority did not strike ? How exactly will paying teachers more money make them better as teachers ? I have never said that teaching is a lowly career just that they are already overpaid for the 2/3's of the year they actually work. I do have a child but I will be paying for private education as at least there my sons teachers will have some knowledge and education rather than the idiots who teach in most state schools. You still cannot explain why you don't let market forces decide wages the same as other Jobs ?

 

So you think the tax payer should shell out 100k for teachers and nurses. How exactly would that be paid for ?

 

Where do you get these ridiculous statements from? How do you know that many teachers are happy, where are you getting these lame facts from or are you just making them up? There are over 10 teachers unions, the NUT is by far the largest so is the only union that can have an impact, the other unions don't have enough clout to do anything.


My point is that if teachers were paid accordingly, the profession would attract a better standard of people into the job. If you are saying that ALL teachers are stupid (what a superb attitude to have!! ) then it must be the case that the profession doesn't attract the best people for the job, so you are answering your own question.

You go on believing that teachers only work 2/3rds of the year and that no work is done in the holidays if you want, you have a very naive and narrow minded view of the world which is a shame

As for private education, please!!! I know quite a few privately educated people and they are the stupidest people I know.

By stopping wasting money on silly wars, and a benefits system that is open to massive abuse and costs more than the NHS to run?

AND can you try using paragraphs, your posts are annoying to read, I guess that is your high std of education though

Final point - the strike is about having their pay cut by the pay rise being less then inflation, so people would do well to remember that, it isn't about not being paid enough.

 

Because I know quite a few and they are very happy, did you not read my post explaining that I know a fair few teachers ?. One even told me that she gets paid a ridiculous amount of money for what she does.


One union and 48000 members of it voted to strike. That is not even 1/4 of the members of that union let alone all teachers.
You seem to be suggesting that the other unions are not on strike becuase they have an inferiority complex.
You don't perhaps think the other unions are not on strike becuase it is a ridiculous thing to do ?
You don't think making parents and children suffer becuase they are getting .05% less than inflation is a ridiculous response to a problem they can solve by getting a new job or being good enough to get promoted like people in the real world have to. ?

Did you actually think about the fact that other unions have had a sharp increase in numbers becuase teachers think strike action was wrong ?

Did you consider that the independant panel chosen by the government AND unions reccomended the payrise of 2.45% ?

Did you consider that The leader of the ASCL thinks many teachers will get a 4-8 % rise through the bonus scheme and becuase of this his union and the majority of other unions and teachers are taking NO action over pay.

NO I am not.

What a pointless thing to say. Its clear you have no real knowledge or information to bring to this debate.





Again your lack of knowledge shines when you have to resort to petty insults.

But inflation is at 2.5% not 4.5 as the NUT claim. In the private sector how many will get 4.5% rises. The rest of the Public sector is capped at 2% why should teachers be special ?

A tiny percentage of teachers voted to strike becuase they are workshy lazy *******s the majority carried on as usual.

 

wot a thicky!!!!

 

what job do you do, brain box??? you cannot even spell, your teachers must have been bad!!!

 

Jump on the bandwagon

He can't spell, well that means I can't either, coz out of that whole post I only notice 2 spelling mistakes - 'universitys' and 'incapeable'

Who didn't go to school

 

You said you know 8 teachers, thats hardly "quite a few" is it, I know 5 times that amount at least.

So you think ALL teachers should get a new job, who would teach our kids then?

You dont quote any sources for all these "facts" you blurt out.

You do realise that private school teachers are not regulated at all, and they dont even need QTS to work there? I hope your kids have a wonderful education

I'm not a teacher but I have plenty of information about what goes in, and narrowminded individuals like your good self do nothing positive to help the teaching profession at all, you stick to your none regulated private schools

 

I think anyone who strikes over not getting a big enough payrise that they expected should be sacked

At least thats what would happen out in the real world in the private sector