I'll happily pay the over inflated prices for a gallon of petrol if someone will pour it through Mr Browns letterbox and light it.

 

i hate tax

 

Whether it is my cynicism or my imagination (or neither) I just hate the feeling of constantly being turned over.

I took a foreground part in a protest before on behalf of the motorists, and was seen on many a news insert, so it is really good to feel you are DOING something. Going up cheerfully to hand out our leaflets to over 20 traffic cops waiting to police our protest propbably did a lot more good than ranting on SN, but from these little acorns...etc.

If you lie back you get stiffed even more in this jungle, so lets all show some teeth!!!

I'm in!

D

 

Doubt anyone else here is that extreme. I/we just want to pay what is reasonable ... less than £1 per litre for fuel would suit me & it can be done by reducing fuel tax as the cost of fuel rises thereby capping it at £1. My preference is for the Govt to stop p*ssing my taxes away rather than raise taxes to pay for said p*ssing Oh my, that would involve some innovation on their part though wouldn't it

TX.

 

I don't understand.

There are already too many cars in Britain. Fuel is in reality too cheap. People think it's ok to commute 70 miles to work rather than walk to work. The car has become an absolute right. Bullsh1t.

There are 2 solutions:

1. population control (a good theme for saving the client)

2. tax the bejusus out of fuel.

G

 

So do you expect someone to walk 70 miles to work?

 

3 enforced euthanasia for those unemployed 5 years +

 

Not only the cost, but a Govn't could force TelCo's to block SMS text messages.

The Ethiopian Govn't did this in 2005 I think it was, to prevent anti-govn't sentiment from spreading.

 

We arent in Ethiopia though. Can you imagine the uproar if that did actually happen.

Simon

 

So where do you stand on human rights mate (let alone quality of life) Somewhere to the right of Stalin maybe? Pesky proletariat!!!

D

 

Yes I can well imagine the "uproar" from the unwashed masses when their SMS text rights are revoked. Never mind poor health care, pubilc infrastructure, Govn't corruption and misinformation, which seem to be ignored.

My point is, Govn't can (And do) pass legislation to restrictic liberties. It's happening right in front of your eyes. But as long as petrol isn't too expenisive, the pub is open, the chinky is open, there is football and deadenders on the tele....most won't mind the "boiling" (Dumbing down of the unwashed) that is going on.

 

We can't boycott the pumps really because we use our cars all the time (part of the problem perhaps)

I like the idea of blocking motorways although I think a go slow on a bank holiday weekend would be better and more likely to work than just walking away from cars (would cost the protestor in the end)

We need something that doesn't cost, is perfectly legal and something everyone can do.

I'm not against taxing cars but the current system is completely sh1te. My wife and my mother have cars with the same engine. My mother does 30K a year in an 02 car. My wife does less than 10K in a 1999. The 99 car costs more to tax than the 02 yet the 02 does 20k more miles a year.

The tax system doesn't give anyone an incentive not to drive car.

 

The way I see it is that boycotting petrol station forecourts won't work.

Aren't alot of petrol stations operated as franchises? Surely it will just be the garage owner getting hit rather than the oil company?

Refineries don't just make fuel for one brand of garage. The refinery at Coryton in Essex used to be owned by BP, it's now owned and operated by Petroplus. Petroplus don't operate any forecourts and so sell the products to pretty much whoever wants it. Whichever company wants it, the relavant additives etc. will be added to the blend to meet that companies requirements and will be produced and supplied.

By boycotting forecourts the refinery will still continue producing the fuel (albeit possibly a slightly different blend) as overall demand will not decrease, it will simply be delivered to the forecourts that need it (which will be screaming out due to increased demand) and not to the ones that are being boycotted.

I think you are also forgetting about the number of company car/van/pick-up users out there too. I have run a company car/pick-up for years, a lot of my friends also do, I really don't take a lot of notice of the cost of the diesel when I'm filling up the company truck with the company fuel card and I think you will find that a lot of others don't either.

I agree fuel is escalating out of control and it annoys the hell out of me when I have to fill up my Impreza with my own hard-earned and notice the prices climbing all the time, but I don't think boycotts will work.

 

Agreed. Thats the crux of the problem, the country is too small for the infrastructure needed to support the population.

Compared to what? Its just a way for the government to get additional revenues, tax the **** out of everything!

Its not about thinking its 'ok' its about having to drive to a place of work that isnt local. Simple fact is 30 years ago yes everyone worked on their doorstep, reality is now people travel much further to get to their jobs and travel more 'in' their jobs. I would much rather walk/cycle to work than drive but I do 3 days a week to a place thats 78 miles away and in 15 years of self-employment I have never once found decent paying contracts on my doorstep.

 

I hear alot of "It won't work, because..."

It's a start isn't it?

The way i see it is, you could try one method for a day, a week or even a month. Then, attack from another angle. You don't just take a rifle to war, you have many different weapons at your disposal and change tactics as and when needed.

Everybody has a different opinion on what would work, why not do them all, using the same technique of communication.

SN probably isn't the best place to decide on what action would work or wouldnt work, the website forum would be there for that.

The reason i posted was to ask, would SN'ers register and participate in the first round and maybe the 2nd, 3rd, 4th?

 

i just started a facebook group. "Fight for cheaper fuel"

anyone wanna join?

 

this is more like it.I could live with these petrol prices


Cheap and cheerful: Venezuelans cling to right for petrol at 42p a tank | Business | The Guardian

 

I'd go and fill up today (Which I did $1.51 p/l). Two oil pipelines in Iraq have just been blown up.

Thanks Bush Co.

 

can someone set up a website to organise this, i propose just a run down to london stoping at services on way,postdetails on as many motoring sites as possible, lets try and get hgvs involved.

there is also talks of a protest about council tax as well, we need to get this thing large scale.

 

IT would be more effective to set up an organisation that the petrol companies could support as well as they have a bit more power and influence than scoobynet. That means legal means only and they will just change laws to iron out all legal means that are effective the same as they did lastime.