gatty

any idea what life is like outside sn and 40000 posts? you can use your lead properly

Bubba po

Oh, how I love this place.

KiwiGTI

The fact is he got a minimum of 5 years and 8 months and the judge has even made the comment that the sentence appears short but he was bound by statutory guidance. By all accounts this was also a particularly nasty attack according to the police.


Life should mean life.

gatty

never

Trout

iTrader: (1)

Fair enough - my fault for not being able to read properly.

I agree it is a short minimum - but probation is discretionary and it does not mean he will get out then.

Rannoch

Leslie

The points made by Gatty are more important than his grammar and spelling. We can all get that wrong.

Les

gatty

has it ever crossed the fantacists minds that the muslim would want the whole world to be islamic, the way they get their is by doing it bit by bit the uk is well on track to be swollowed up in twenty years or so, according to fact that natives are getting out muslims are moving in and breeding fast. i wonder what life would be like then ? would the loony fantacists hold the same poinion?

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

but you have two pencils though

Trout

iTrader: (1)

Gatty,

isn't it also true that the Catholics want the whole world to be Catholic and that the Protestants want it all to be Protestant.

At the same time the Muslims are coming here in numbers we are out in the Middle East trying to impose our White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Ethic.

Rannoch

gatty

where? if you mean iraq then with a little help from a revoloution we brits can resort to the way the muslim do it and thats with the ak47

gatty

i dont see catholics , protestants walking into the islamic states and making demands? unless you no better of course, and i am sure you do blah blah blah muslims are ace .

WHEELSHOP0_0

If you are talking about the "crusades" or the "reformation" then they are before even I was born(just).
As an atheist I just wish it would all go away

Bubba po

Here here.

Trout

iTrader: (1)

You missed the tens of thousands of soldiers who marched across Iraq on Bush's 'crusade'?

That is exactly how the Muslim nations see it, compounded by the Israeli sympathies.

Muslims are only as ace as any other religion, the issues we face today are not exclusively theirs.

gatty

in the name of religion? i think not ,we shouldent be there i would agree with the muslim there.

we let them in the door here and now look i mean look dont give me any pc crap the place aint working and thats it . smoke all the pot you want and live in fantacy land but it aint working.

there motives are to see an islamic state of great britain , no ? or do you again no better?

israel? why cant they have there land back that is in iraq?

the point is the iraqis dont want us there so they kill here we dont want muslims here but we talk about it, the more they take the **** the more jo public s anger builds up.

once a movement starts over here your going to see wide spread trouble.

if intergration was instant, in the 50/60's maybe thing could be different, as it wasnt or know no way near , dont expect the brit to keep on putting up with it.

Trout

iTrader: (1)

Gatty,

I am pretty sure a lot of Muslims see the invasion in the name of religion - even it is isn't. In the same way I think most Muslims come here because they think they can create a better life for themselves. It is only the extreme militants and their dupes that preach the message of creating the Nation of Islam here.

Lots of people I work with are Muslim and I can assure you that they are far more motivated about hitting their sales targets, client satisfaction and looking after their kids than creating a Nation of Islam.

The 'problem' that we have inherited goes back a long time. The vast majority of Muslims that are here in the UK are from Pakistan which used to be part of a British Empire. As such it was the resources and wealth of such nations (Islamic and otherwise) that built the 'Great' Britain we are nostalgic about today.

And in doing so we created a commitment to those in the Empire and as it unravelled many emigrated to the UK thus opening up the possibility of more and more Muslims coming here from Pakistan and Northern India.

So the Muslim population has a much longer heritage than the current wave of immigration. Remember Pakistan is in the Commonwealth of Nations (what used to be the British Commonwealth).

The two core problems I see are long term policy of non-integration so we have 'ghettos' and the rise of Muslim extremism which has been fueled by Western behaviour and sympathies (i.e. Isreal) in other Islamic countries in the Middle East.

The one thing that I do believe is that further extremism and separatism will only make it worse, not better.

Just for clarification I don't smoke pot and my world feels very real. Even stranger through my job I meet hundreds if not thousands of people every year and I never hear Muslims or Immigration come up as key issues, except on Scoobynet!!

Rannoch

speye91

Less than 6 miles from me,and this is the first i have heard of it.

Lets hope he gets a good Kicking in the nick,or even worse some lag puts a bounty on his budgie's head 6oz of baccy should be ok.

fatherpierre

It must be a bad country if our schools produce people with your lack or intellect and poor use of spelling and grammar.

Look up the word xenophobia.

Bubba po

Zennerfobeer.

Nope, tint in mi dickshenery.

fatherpierre

Did I spell it wrong?

gatty

bleedin hell, when are you ***** gonna realise I AINT BOTHERED ABOUT MY SPELLING OR AM I BOTHERED ABOUT ANYONE KNOCKING IT. TAKE NOTE. bleedin hell does my nut in .

gatty

again all i here is muslims are bloody fantastic. drivle.

1. i dont care how they "see" it its not in the name of religion. it is over here, mosques going up everywhere.
2. as you are no muslim yourself, how can you be sure what there motives are? YOU CANT!
3.an educated muslim which he gaind in the uk is a dangerous one, when you say their hard working there going to be who would expect anything else? they have everything to gain
4.British empire, what kind of excuse is that? why mention it?
5.they are not intergrating
6 they do not pick up on the nutters.
7. israeli people have a right to there motherland half of which is in iraq
8.we live/work in different circles/as 99% of 1000's either wished no muslim was in the country or a genral dislike to there ways and cultures.
9.only a fantacist would think intergration is going to happen now, the divide now and the feel of two different civalizations is at its wosrt.

look at the statistics and use pro rata and tell me pound for pound theres not a pattern there. a very worrying one

Trout

iTrader: (1)

Generally I fail to see how my post says Muslims are great - they are just people.

The critical difference in our argument comes in your first comment.

I read your posts and you are absolutely clear that Muslims are coming to the UK for 'religious' reasons and yet you say you do not care that Muslims see our presence in their region as religious.

Isn't it possible that the two are related?

To satisfy my curiousity, can you tell me which bit of Isreal is in Iraq?

Finally - your original question was about Great Britain. I mention the Empire because a lot of the wealth and greatness came from the fact we invaded and occupied Muslim countries to exploit their resources. You cannot separate what made Great Britain and the current issues we have today - it is the very fact we had an Empire that leads many, many Muslims to live here today, not some form of Islamic invasion. It is exactly the same in France and Holland who have Muslim populations stemming from countries they 'ruled' over the past 200 years.

Have a fabulous day

Rannoch

AllanB

Its quite apparent to me how much this government have screwed things up. I'm not sure who the current apporach appeals to I doubt the right see much ebenefit in anything being done nor do the left. Fact is this governemtn has done more to drive a divide between the communities both racial and economic than any other government before. All the time our civil liberties are being erroded and people are having to work so much harder just to eeek out an existance.

Standard of living are falling , especially in the South and crime is rising. What is the cause and whats being done to sort it out.

The governemrnt has sold of vast reserves of assets and squandered the money. Certainly up until recently there were less police than before, remember them always quoting the number of new police ? obviously not stating how many had left. What on earth have they done to the NHS.

We are also involved in one of the most obviously hipocrital occupations ever seen. At least this has stabilised oli prices though and means cheper petrol for the Scoob.

Anyway back to the point. Rather than us all bickering at eachother with differing ppoints of view its clear this government has had its time and has ballsed up and made us far less safe than before. One of the biggest reasons for the anger in society is FEAR ! We live in fear now far more than when we were being bombed by the IRA. It horrible to say but I know for a fact after the July bombing if you had a beard a tan and a rucksack people felt uneasy. I had staff refusing to go into London on the tube.

Whilst our government may be appearing to try and play hardball we've turned into a bunch of softies. Get out there and face the world and the people who really need help can be helped. If you don't like whats going on do somethng positive about it rather than moaning and if you want to moan p1ss off somewhere else.

People that claim to love this country so much should start treating it with respect, that means themselves other people and even our language !


AllanB

gatty

I TRIED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE

Trout

iTrader: (1)

It was only about sixty years ago that we repatriated Pakistan and India so it is not that simple. There will be people here who are direct immigrants and many who are only first generation because of British foreign policy.

Goes off to look at map...thanks

gatty

ITS ALL OUR OWN FAULT THEN , THANKS FOR PUTTING ME STRAIGHT.

gatty

i dont see hindus, seekhs swamping this country, if they do its because they fit in.

you see them on building sites, in the army, etc..they are a different kettle of fish all together.

i am talking generic not on idividuals.

KiwiGTI

But when it comes to the crunch their religion is more important than anything else. The problem is they silently accept a lot of the extremist behaviour. Every Muslim in Britain would like nothing more than the UK to be an Islamic state with Sharia law. If they don't then they are not a "good" Muslim.

The Islamification of Europe is the greatest threat to our way of life and will one day destroy Europe.


I don't know what to say to that, maybe because politics or religion is a subject that isn't suitable for work discussions. But clearly you are out of touch with a large chunk of the population.

gatty

100% correct reply. nice one kiwi . its all so obvious. why cant others see it? brainwashed? fanticist? hopeist? not a realist i know that.

if they was so perfect why is there so much anger in the country? there wouldent be a problem if they just slotted in without ranting and raving , making demands all the while.

just like in iraq , they dont want us there so out come the morter bombes , bazookers, ak47's.

maybe we should take the same approach.? before you squeal you cant say that , i have met many normal folks who would.