PeteBrant

Are you suggesting we used to live in some crime-free utopia before immigration?

PeteBrant

This attitude is exactly why everytime you lock up a criminal, or drug user, there will aways be more to take thier place. Or reoffending is so high.

You need to sort out the root cause of the problem, not just lock people away. It will solve nothing.

There are people out there willing to commit crime and face prison, or turn to a known killer like heroin or crack rather than face a continued existance in their current life circumstances. Surely that must tell you something needs fixing.

lozgti

Total change in this country over the last 15 years and not for the better.

Society in general appears to be greedy,rude,selfish with little respect for law and order.

Unless respect is instilled into children at school,the next generation of reprobates will arrive to clog up our town centre,spitting at the police.

Will someone please sort it (and don't tell me my local MP will do anything).What happened to the basics in life?

KiwiGTI

Yes, of course, there needs to be a holistic approach taken.

But then I also think people are ultimately responsible and should be held accountable for their own actions. The combination of democracy, freedom, nature and capitalism will always mean that there are dregs and losers in society.

You statement above shows half the problem - you can't be compassionate to everyone and fix everyones problems. Nature doesn't work like that - why should we.

andythejock01wrx

I could not agree more !

The point is that the facts of the case speak for themselves and spread doubt over the conviction. HM Govt and Charlie were merely drawing attention to those facts. I would have no objection to a foreign Govt intervening in a similer manner in the UK (say, if the Irish Govt had chosen to petition for the Birmingham Six in the 80's).

I have my doubts that our intervention would have been criticised had the condemned man been white British !

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

Gatty, all though I see your grievence and agree with it please learn to spell, punctuate and use grammer, it is painfull trying to decipher your posts.

PeteBrant

Yes, that's a fair comment, there are always some beyond help. I suppose some middle ground is needed.


A firend of mine, somewhat of an extrememist. Thinks that we should all have a "Life license". And just like a driving license it has points added to it for crimes, say a point for burglary, 5 points for armed robbery, 10 for murder etc.

You serve your time in prison as now, but when you reach 21 points you have your life license revoked and therefore your right to live.

andythejock01wrx

I wouldn't normally mock spelling, but, well, people in glass houses !

lozgti

Missed one

KiwiGTI

It's a reasonable idea, probably fairer than the 3 strikes and you're out like in the US. And their hardline approach on crime is now starting to work. It may be harsh but what is best for society in general outweighs the small minority that don't or won't behave.

andythejock01wrx

OOPS ! So I did !

Leslie

Pete Brant,

There never has been or ever will a society free of crime, its all part of the downside of human nature.

I will say however that serious crime and grievious injury and murder are many times more prevalent than they used to be, This is becoming a totally materialistic and selfish society with criminals carrying out vicious attacks on the elderly and infirm as easy targets with absolutely no thought for the consequences of their actions. We used to live in a society where we could walk the streets in safety at any time of the night and a murder was front page news because it was comparatively rare. Those burglars who did operate at least just stole things and were not prepared to cause serious harm to their victims or destroy their homes just for the sake of it.

Yes this needs to be stopped at the source of the problem. So many of the children have now become latch key kids, neglected in both their education and behaviour by their dysfunctional parents and this problem will be multiplied in the next generation and so on. Children do not learn discipline and respect for authority or thought about others which was what they learned from school and their parents not all that many years ago. That teaching is paramount if we are to live in a decent society instead of the threatened anarchy which is overtaking our lives now.

Children are no longer subject to any kind of positive discipline at school any more and so many teachers are now so PC that they just let them do what they want. That is a recipe for disaster as we are now seeing.

Until we get a strong leader again who is honest with us and is prepared to govern this country for the sake of the people, I do not hold out much hope for the future to be honest.

Les

andythejock01wrx

Les, almost on 10,000 post !! C'mon, just one more !

lozgti

Les,you are wasting your breath.

You will receive the response that we 'perceive it as worse because we have sky news and lots of TV telling us it is worse'.Or a John Reid quote 'Crime is down 32.87% and convictions up 128.93% because our figures are based on putting non council tax payers in prison and persecuting those who drive at 34mph'

Makes me wonder if people wander round with their eyes shut

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

at least it is legible unlike most of the drivel spouted on here, in my defence I am subject to bad English and bad spelling all day everyday, it seems I have forgotten more English than most people on here ever knew.

gatty

i wouldent say crime free definatly not,but look at the stats and apply pro rata formula and this will enlighten you to the truth.

gatty

can only appologise, i type from the heart, somtimes i cant keep up with what i am thinking. the result is jibber.

oh well at least you never took the sarcastic boring approach the kind i often get from the cleverdicks who get kicks from knoching my spelling

Trout

iTrader: (1)

Why not give us some facts then instead of just whining like a broken cam belt tensioner?

What are the facts we should open our eyes to - I would genuinely like to be enlightened.

This reminds me of Nicholas Parsons campaigning like a Scoobynet old hand on the BBC News with the fatuous statement that no-one had ever been mugged in the UK before 1978.

I for a fact know that is ridiculous as I had my dinner money stolen on the way to school before 1978

Rannoch

lozgti

But why?

I get facts from the government telling me it is a fact that in fact children are factually highly educated and brilliant now.Thats a Fact.

They come to me for an interview with an actual factual bundle of 20 A grade GCSE's and the fact is they can't spell,add and someone (fact) appears to have removed their common sense to boot.

To bother to get facts to support the fact that I do care about the absence of respect etc is not really worth it.

What in fact is a cam belt tensioner btw?

Trout

iTrader: (1)

It's a bit of a Scooby that should be all tense but sometimes just lets go for no apparent reason. When it does it breaks lots of things in the engine and it stops working

You hinted in your earlier posts that you were challenging facts. I thought you might have some of your own.

One observation I would make is that in professional circles the true educational level to compete is far higher than it was 20 years ago. I was interviewing graduates with three A levels, two S levels, a 1st or 2:1, two or three languages who were far more highly qualified than I was for the same job.

They are not just meaningless bits of paper kids work far harder than I did when I was at school/university.

What may be true is a split between those who do work, work harder and those who don't don't. Less middle ground so to speak.

Rannoch

unclebuck

Therefore a broken CTT never 'whines' because when it fails the engine stops instantly.

KiwiGTI

Just saw this BBC NEWS | England | Wear | Group caught rapist after attack

Less than 6 years is pathetic. He should be locked up and the key thrown away.

gatty

no he can be rehabilitated, any one can do what he did each and every one of us????? this is the school of thought of several members of sn (muppet specialists).



high risk / low risk. etc.......

Bubba po

Your feeble negative reps cannot harm me.

gatty

name calling a? well done . lol

Bubba po

No, folks. That was the comment gatty put on my rep.

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

its not the post count, its how long youve been registered

Bubba po

And the fact that gatty doesn't have enough lead in his pencil to make a black mark.

Trout

iTrader: (1)

It is a statutory minimum six years before he can be even considered for probation - lets just keep the facts straight.

Having said that I agree that a potential early release after seven or eight years (he would never get out on first application) is lenient for an unremittingly violent attack that justifies a life sentence.

He may of course be inside for a very long time unless he is whiter than white in his behaviour.

Rannoch

gatty

so are you the only muppet specialist? loopy leftie one at that

go back to your clique.

theres a bit of **** talk going on here

call it negative rep so what. whats there to be happy about? only the thought of getting away and being with like minded people