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10 November 2005, 09:44 AM
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I presume the pipes to the suspension turret are so they are not lost down the engine and makes it easier to connect up etc.. no boost solenoid fitted yet so pipes from wastegate run to suspension turret?
the FSE (think you need to change to something a bit beefier) vac line seems to run to the front of the car, presume not connected to anything?
The other suspension turret (passenger side) has I presume the dump valve vac line connected to it at the moment.
No water cooling on the turbo?
The idle valve plumbing seems to not be connected and wrapped in tape lots near the FSE?
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the FSE (think you need to change to something a bit beefier) vac line seems to run to the front of the car, presume not connected to anything?
The other suspension turret (passenger side) has I presume the dump valve vac line connected to it at the moment.
No water cooling on the turbo?
The idle valve plumbing seems to not be connected and wrapped in tape lots near the FSE?
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10 November 2005, 10:53 AM
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You will have fun (not a lot) on light throttle if you are actually using that maf in that location 
Also possible grief on full throttle too !
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Also possible grief on full throttle too !Andy
10 November 2005, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
why are there silicone pipes onto the suspension topmount studs?
Haven't you ever heard of vacuum or air assisted suspension ?? 
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10 November 2005, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy.F
You will have fun (not a lot) on light throttle if you are actually using that maf in that location Also possible grief on full throttle too !
Andy
Also possible grief on full throttle too !Andy
10 November 2005, 07:42 PM
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Thats not his friends subaru though! The one with the calipers is red. This one must have been having work done to it when the pics where taken, so thats why the hoses are not connected.
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10 November 2005, 10:44 PM
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911, I see your point on the wheels and will be talking to Dave at API about them. The white car in the pic is one they are just about to finish and not the 1 this thread is about, it dose look nice and I will let the owner know you said so. It was just to give an idea of what it may look like.
Craig G, your telling me
AlanG, there where bits disconnected as you can see as the car was still being built, the idle valve house with the black tape on will plug that hole.
Jolly Green Monster, as you said mate this is 95% done and just needed bits connecting at the time the pics were taken. The will be a water feed to the Turbo as well. Did you have any problems with your brakes?
P20SPD, allot of pipes are just connected at one end and left lose at this stage as bits are still being worked on, I will try and get some pics when it is 100% done.
Andy F, were would you put the MAF and what would be the problem in it being left there, if you tell me it need moving then I will take it as being Wright.
API David. lol, I will give you a bell on Monday and pay for those bits mate.
Zen Performance, same question to you as to Andy F or are these trade secrets?
Craig G, there not to know the was 2 different cars, they may have thought the Red one was far an Example of the 4 pot Brembos, Oh and use the EDIT button for **** sake, 3 post's in a row lol
This is the only pic i can find of the Scooby that is being done but about 18 month ago in very early state of tune. It was doing about 340bhp on about 1.4 - 1.5 bar
Craig G, your telling me
AlanG, there where bits disconnected as you can see as the car was still being built, the idle valve house with the black tape on will plug that hole.
Jolly Green Monster, as you said mate this is 95% done and just needed bits connecting at the time the pics were taken. The will be a water feed to the Turbo as well. Did you have any problems with your brakes?
P20SPD, allot of pipes are just connected at one end and left lose at this stage as bits are still being worked on, I will try and get some pics when it is 100% done.
Andy F, were would you put the MAF and what would be the problem in it being left there, if you tell me it need moving then I will take it as being Wright.
API David. lol, I will give you a bell on Monday and pay for those bits mate.
Zen Performance, same question to you as to Andy F or are these trade secrets?
Craig G, there not to know the was 2 different cars, they may have thought the Red one was far an Example of the 4 pot Brembos, Oh and use the EDIT button for **** sake, 3 post's in a row lol
This is the only pic i can find of the Scooby that is being done but about 18 month ago in very early state of tune. It was doing about 340bhp on about 1.4 - 1.5 bar
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10 November 2005, 11:10 PM
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The problem with the maf so close to a large turbo is that it will pick up false signals due to the 'swirl' in the intake tract. This makes control at low/mid flow rates very difficult. Also the maf (of 93-96 vintage) will be maxed out by 350bhp, I presume your goals are somewhat higher 
I suggest either using a bigger maf situated further away from the turbo, or use a maf/map conversion, or use an ECU that doesn't need a maf sensor.
Andy
I suggest either using a bigger maf situated further away from the turbo, or use a maf/map conversion, or use an ECU that doesn't need a maf sensor.
Andy
10 November 2005, 11:15 PM
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I'll be blunt here.
If you're paying a company to do all this, then as part of that you should be getting the technical know how to finish the project properly. If you're not, then perhaps you should look at completing the project in a different manner.
Paul
If you're paying a company to do all this, then as part of that you should be getting the technical know how to finish the project properly. If you're not, then perhaps you should look at completing the project in a different manner.
Paul
11 November 2005, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by al125
Hi guys, I am posting this for a mate as he has no internet access. The aim is for a reliable daily driven 500bhp on optimax. I am hoping you guys could take a look at the spec list and tell me if you think we have mist any think or if you think it will get to the magic 500bhp mark.
This list is from memory but here goes:
Up rated 225LPH Walbro fuel pump
FSE power boost valve
Modified fuel rail
740cc injectors
4 brand new coil packs
HKS fuel cut defense
HKS 40I spark plugs
HKS SPF induction kit
HKS tubular manifold
HKS group N down pipe
Custom DP Motorsport 3" down pipe back with single rear can ( no cat )
GT30R turbo
HKS FMI
Turbosmart external waste gate
Apexi power FC and remote commander
Apexi AVCR boost controller runing 2 - 2.2 bar
WRX bottom end
Bored and honed closed deck block
HKS 2.2L stoker kit
API STI version IV head's and cam gear
API 14mm stood kit
API Triple layer metal head gasket
API up rated engine mounts
API up rated 6 speed box with prop, viscose rear dif and shaft's
Exedy lightend fly and dule plate carbon clutch
325mm Brembo discs with gold 4 pot Brembo calipers
Performance friction Carbonmatalic front pads
New STD rear discs with EBC Redstuff ceramic pads
Goodrich braded brake lines
That’s all I can remember but im shore I have forgot a few bits. What do you guy’s recon?
This list is from memory but here goes:
Up rated 225LPH Walbro fuel pump
FSE power boost valve
Modified fuel rail
740cc injectors
4 brand new coil packs
HKS fuel cut defense
HKS 40I spark plugs
HKS SPF induction kit
HKS tubular manifold
HKS group N down pipe
Custom DP Motorsport 3" down pipe back with single rear can ( no cat )
GT30R turbo
HKS FMI
Turbosmart external waste gate
Apexi power FC and remote commander
Apexi AVCR boost controller runing 2 - 2.2 bar
WRX bottom end
Bored and honed closed deck block
HKS 2.2L stoker kit
API STI version IV head's and cam gear
API 14mm stood kit
API Triple layer metal head gasket
API up rated engine mounts
API up rated 6 speed box with prop, viscose rear dif and shaft's
Exedy lightend fly and dule plate carbon clutch
325mm Brembo discs with gold 4 pot Brembo calipers
Performance friction Carbonmatalic front pads
New STD rear discs with EBC Redstuff ceramic pads
Goodrich braded brake lines
That’s all I can remember but im shore I have forgot a few bits. What do you guy’s recon?
11 November 2005, 10:43 PM
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this company will sort you out properly for reasonable money. highly recomemded
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12 November 2005, 09:17 AM
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this company will sort you out properly for reasonable money. highly recomemded[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Come on! a few more details please who is this company - is it you? What respectable, professional company runs off a cell phone?? I'm not suggesting they are anything but professional and respectable but cell phones don't do it for me in a business sense.
Speak up please engie bengie
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Yeah, Come on! a few more details please who is this company - is it you? What respectable, professional company runs off a cell phone?? I'm not suggesting they are anything but professional and respectable but cell phones don't do it for me in a business sense.
Speak up please engie bengie
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12 November 2005, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by engie bengy
hi there. just read email. if you are serious about this engine build and i mean serious then call 07725329907. this company will sort you out properly for reasonable money. highly recomemded
12 November 2005, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Craig_g
But the work is being done by DP Motorsport. The company who have the 2 worlds fasted Pulsar GTI-R's.
12 November 2005, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
It means that despite DP working on some fast Nissans, you're still here asking everyone else for technical advise on Subarus.
It is also just to educate me on how all this stuff works as i am just an anthusiaste who wishes he could have the good fortune of owning a Subaru some time in the future.
13 November 2005, 08:36 PM
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The MAF will be changed to one from a Nissan 300zx Twin Turbo, the last one on this page a belive.
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/re...placement.html
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/re...placement.html
13 November 2005, 09:12 PM
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I have used that maf sensor for 500hp. It will work, but there are some caveats associated with using it along with the gt30 turbo, placement and piping is important to avoid bad driveability, and it needs to be used with a recirculating dumpvalve. Going to a mafless ECU solution will make life easier, but it's not essential.
13 November 2005, 09:47 PM
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Zen Performance, ( i dont know your name ) thanks for the info, the is no doubt in my mine that DP can build a quick Scoob by them selfs as they do have the know how but it is nice to have PRO's (you being one of them) to point out any problems you think they may incounter. The firts time building a big Scoob is hard as the will be a lot of trial and eror and with my mate footing the bill the last thing i want is for him to put his money into a part that is not up to the job and have to fork out again.
So you think the 300zx MAF will top out at 500bhp?
How do you go about the outher option of changeing the MAF to a MAP? the car has a PFC
So you think the 300zx MAF will top out at 500bhp?
How do you go about the outher option of changeing the MAF to a MAP? the car has a PFC
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13 November 2005, 10:34 PM
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Andy Forrest currently has a MAF elimination "box" developed which he may offer commercially, and it would certainly help with driveability of the GT30. The 300ZX MAF sensor does handle 500hp, I have done it myself and ran 10.9 in my scoob over a year ago with the same sensor.
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13 November 2005, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
Andy Forrest currently has a MAF elimination "box" developed which he may offer commercially, and it would certainly help with driveability of the GT30. The 300ZX MAF sensor does handle 500hp, I have done it myself and ran 10.9 in my scoob over a year ago with the same sensor.
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17 November 2005, 11:34 PM
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Craig, i think you need to understand something here..... i have just read through the whole thread and questions are being asked that should be answered by DP.
From an outside point of view it seems like someone somewhere hasnt got a clue what they are doing but with the help of the 'experts' on here they will get through it.
The spec list listed is an absolute **** take, for me it reads like someone has picked up a tuning mag and copied an advert for hks.
You are massively mistaken!
Rob
From an outside point of view it seems like someone somewhere hasnt got a clue what they are doing but with the help of the 'experts' on here they will get through it.
The spec list listed is an absolute **** take, for me it reads like someone has picked up a tuning mag and copied an advert for hks.
But the work is being done by DP Motorsport. The company who have the 2 worlds fasted Pulsar GTI-R's.
Rob
19 November 2005, 02:54 PM
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Why ask for the advice from tuners on here and give the details to someone to do a build for you?
If they know what they are doing, let them get on with it. If they don't, then give the job to someone who does know what they are doing. I'm surprised you received all the help you have, all things considered.
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If they know what they are doing, let them get on with it. If they don't, then give the job to someone who does know what they are doing. I'm surprised you received all the help you have, all things considered.
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19 November 2005, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
Why ask for the advice from tuners on here and give the details to someone to do a build for you?
If they know what they are doing, let them get on with it. If they don't, then give the job to someone who does know what they are doing. I'm surprised you received all the help you have, all things considered.
Bob
If they know what they are doing, let them get on with it. If they don't, then give the job to someone who does know what they are doing. I'm surprised you received all the help you have, all things considered.
Bob
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As the lad stated.......he just wants to be certain that everything goes right for is friend! After all, DP may have told him the same as what everyone here has said. But a second and third opinions always help.
When you guys built your first big power scoob....did you know every part you needed or was it (and still now maybe) trial and error? Have you tuners ever asked for advice? Remember, this car is privately owned, there is a lot of money being put into this car, and maybe he can't afford for things to go wrong. Maybe things that work well in the Nissans, won't work on the Subaru? Also remember, this is DP's first big power Subaru aswell.
Thanks
Craig
When you guys built your first big power scoob....did you know every part you needed or was it (and still now maybe) trial and error? Have you tuners ever asked for advice? Remember, this car is privately owned, there is a lot of money being put into this car, and maybe he can't afford for things to go wrong. Maybe things that work well in the Nissans, won't work on the Subaru? Also remember, this is DP's first big power Subaru aswell.
Thanks
Craig