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Having owned mine for 55,000+miles I'm aware of what is required to embarrass cars and what cars are worth 'comparing'. Suffice to say I wouldn't bother with a CTR as they are not in the same league.

Maybe you need to polish up on your driving skills?

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I just wish mine was standard to prove that a CTR is slower, rolling or not.

Dont suppose someone wants to compare with a lightly modded scoob?


Bob

Derek M

If it was standard you would just prove that there is **** all difference between the two. I have driven on track with a MY00 classic and he could not gain anything on me on the straights or in the corners.
So how is that in different league?

Dark Blue Mark

Bob, ive had run ins with so many types of car and am a very competent driver There's no way 2 cars with such similar power outputs are going to be punishing each other

Im repeating myself but I was sat behind a work mate about a year ago, in an STi4 with over 280 bhp and from 30 mph, I was comfortably sticking with it, but would have taken an age to get past him and at high speed by the time I did.

Repeat again, but the S2000 has 40 more BHP than a CTR and only slowly beats a UK turbo.

Reality check needed!

MB

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RichB

<yawn>
S2000s are for hairdressers!
Imprezas are for Chavs!
Both are quick but not that quick....

The end.

New_scooby_04

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Nice. First one I've seen in black! Look great.

I have a lot of time for Hondas, I've yet to drive a bad one, even std Accord was a nice drive.

Who took the Sti off your hands Mark. That was a beauty. Pity I can't afford to run two Scoobies!

Regards,

Paul.

New_scooby_04

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We've been busted!

I'll get me burberry hat,

Mark, get your scissors and clippers!

NS04

Dark Blue Mark

What Rich failed to mention that he has one, in girly red

Cheers NSo4 The STi went to a very happy owner, chap from Cambridge.

MB

foz01

Mark no i just have the current dyno plots, need to scan them in though..

Mine is pulling 200bhp from just over 6000 rpm though

LG John

I've had an MY99 which was modified to 275bhp and then I ran it stock again for a few months before selling it. I now have an MY03 S2000 that is running if anything a little under stock power.

The s2000 compares better to the modified classic as it would pull on the MY99 stock once rolling and I'd imagine if my s2000 was running well the difference would be more significant. A ctr rolling will hang with an MY99 no problem!! My 406 V6 stuck with two different standard classics (they both had pee-shooters). They were trying because we gunned it at 50mph and were still the same distance appart at 130*p* - A CTR would easily match/better my v6 from 50 up.

I'm really getting to grips with the handling of the S2000 now and I'm loving it! The most amazing thing is the ease with which it will go back into 1st gear at 30mph if you heel-n-toe it! 1st gear is actually a useable gear and today I was braking hard into roundabouts, jamming it into first and exiting them sideways with the hood down in the beating sunshine. The scooby made me smile a lot but couldn't do that A clio certainly can't

Dark Blue Mark

Good isnt it! First thing I struggled with is the rear wheel steering. If you're on a corner and push harder, it actually turns in harder but feels like the back end is sliding. Once you realise you have to push it more to get the back to float - its good fun!

Any joy on the power front?

MB

LG John

You're right in that it takes some getting used to but its great steering the car with the throttle

Still got poxy induction kit awaiting bits so still a little breathless

Dark Blue Mark

Will be interesting to hear what happens, hope you get it sorted as it would be a shame to tarnish the experience.

MB

RichB

Interesting to read your comments about the power Saxo, I am not 100% convinced mine is right, I bet it is just physcological for me, both previous cars were somewhat quicker, but it does not feel as quick as everyone makes out.
Mark drove it and didn't seem to think it was bad, he thought it was certainly quick enough compared to the ITR he had. (Correct me if I am wrong Mark)

Mark - Must meet up one Wed/Thur for some over the Purbeck testing!

Mine is finally ready to be serviced (3 years) so will see if anything shows up with that...

Dark Blue Mark

Will do Rich - pick a sunny day! I thought yours seemed fine when I tried it, but will know better now I own one...

MB

J4CKO

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I was in my Saab today and one of these appeared behind me at a rate of knots, came off a roundabout I went to the inside, he went to the outside, I put my foot down and he twigged so went fo it and it wasnt much quicker than my car, did it another couple of times, sounded fantastic but not that ballistically fast, my previous Fiat Coupe turbo would have been quicker. It chucked out a plume of crap from the exhausts like I havent seen since owning the Fiat. I thought I would have got mullered but the old Saab did quite well, I must say that it would have pulled away once past a ton but 3 runs from 30-90 didnt pull any significant distance but then again it never looks like much, going to get it chipped, that might do the trick, assuming it hasnt been chipped already as it feels much quicker than I would have expected. The owner of the S2000
had a quick look at my car as I went the other way at the next roundabout, expect he would have been dismayed to see no Aero body kit and a set of fetching plastic wheel disks !

Dark Blue Mark

Fiat's are very rapid though!

Sounds like the missus had been driving it and not blown out the cobwebs for a while They need to be driven hard!

Im going to add this to my sig but "You need a LOT more BHP to get away from someone in a straight line" Or power to weight etc etc...

MB

LG John

Yeah, I raced a Ferrari 360 modena in my impreza over the same range 30-90 and I know he was trying because he left the roundabout sideways and the noise (oh the noise!!!!). Anyway, he only pulled about 2-3 car lengths over that range and I certainly felt like I was keeping him in touch. Over 90 though and he'd have started to disappear!

Dark Blue Mark

I had the same against Rich B in his F360, although he did start to dissapear after 100 I was in a 300 bhp STi V4.

The only time ive been destroyed beyond my own belief was against a Merc SL55 AMG (or whatever the top one was a few years back) Destroyed totally. I missed a shift into 3rd, got it in, looked up and it was gone.

That was a serious punishing in my book. Serious...

MB

BOBBY G

That 2-3 car lengths is a LOT in terms of a 30 to 90 sprint. It is not just about distance, think acceleration.

But I have read a few saxo boy posts before, and I know that you are not a nugget!

Bob.

LG John

I know its a lot but most people don't appreciate it as such because the ferrari is still so close - I said it to illustrate marks point that to really nail something you need a big advantage. The biggest thumping I got was from an e46 M3 when I was in my VTS - he just........................went!!

Rich has a rarri! Man, that's just not fair

Dark Blue Mark

Has one no longer!

MB

J4CKO

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I had a go against a 360 in the Fiat, it got past..... eventually, I think thats the main difference between quick and fast, acceleration after a ton. Wasnt about to follow that S2000 round a fast bend because the Saab is ok but not a real handler.

RR

I came across a s2000 today from 30+ to the top of 3rd (7800rpm) i left it with ease (8-10 car lengths) so bad infact i came off the gas and let it go, it was just a waste of optimax. I would safely say a healthy P1 would leave one.

J4CKO

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RR, what were you in ?

RR

350bhp 300lbs/ft Stage 3 IHI Ibiza (1.8T 20v). 1119kg kerb weight. I would have a P1 over a s2000 anyday. Its down to individual choice i guess but to be honest i have always liked P1's and Rb5's. Having such a big power advantage i was always going to just play with it. I came across theotherphil in his 280ish bhp classic scoob and i would put money on the fact that his scoob would have left the s2000 and his scoob will be around the P1 area in performance terms.

J4CKO

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I suppose its down to whether you want a fast car or a package, its a bit of a no brainer that a 350 bhp (and very torquey, twice that of an S2000) turbo car would have been quicker but the S2000 is a complete package out of the box so to speak, 350 bhp from an Ibiza is very impressive but I would imagine it must be a handful at best, or just plain scary, my Fiat coupe was 260/270 bhp and that always turned into an understeering pig if you tried anything to agressive until it had traction (at about 50 mph), 350 bhp must be insane in a car so light.

Dont get me wrong I am not having a go at modded cars, just trying to point out that out and out speed isnt the be all and end all.

I would be interested to see some specs/pictures of you car though, sounds interesting, how much does it cost to get the 1.8T engine to yield that kind of power and are they reliable once there, I cant say (other than the odd cam belt and coil pack failures) I have never heard one suffer from engine bother.

Dark Blue Mark

Repeating again, but my UK spec had 270 bhp and I only managed to crawl past one flat out. Yawn... Im off

MB

RichB

I can honestly say that from personal experience that the slowest car is the Honda, then the Scoob and then the 360. LOL
Like you didn't already know that.

Saxo - I had one for about 6 months, best 6 months of my life , the best part of all was not losing any money on it! Shame the same could not be said for the two cars owned either side.
Mark - I think I would have punished you more if we'd done the same test nearer the end of my ownership I did start going a bit mental in the thing........ Mmwwwhhhaaaa
And anyway, I had to keep slowing down so you could hear the noise as I went past you...