LG John

John you will be absolutely gob-smacked by how fast this car is for such simple mods! For those that doubt it this cup not only has the acceleration to keep up with a UK classic it would actualy pass one! I'd fancy it to pass a PPP as well. Against the likes of a bug-eye the cup would trash it by a considerable margin!

The_Titanium_Knob_Man

Frazer, can you tell me (cos I'm thick and a bit pissed) what mods your clio has got again.....sounds like an awesome bit of kit if it will toe to toe with a Classic PPP. I have been scared away from renaults cos of the shocking build quality but then again I do like the idea of getting an underdog hot hatch that will take on the big boys!

Frazer

R Sport ECU (7800 limiter) ITG Maxogen, Janspeed De-cat and Magnex cat back.

The car has done a 14.1 at Crail,the last time I was there it did a 14.2@100.7 (2.4 60 ft) that was pre-maxogen when I only had standard air box with a green panel filter in it.

foz01

Do you do trackdays?

If so come to knockhill to see how quick an S2000 really is

Frazer

Nah never done a track day you ever ran yours up the strip?

john banks

Sounds like it would be a nice car at the track Frazer. I prefer track days to drag days having done a few of both, I can't bear the "ambience" at drag days either. I did a 1 hour one-one instructor session at Knockhill, just a race XR2 on the track who kept well out my way, and an Octavia vRS with another instructor who stayed well out the way as well. It was raining as well, learned loads.

foz01

No but should do low 13's

Frazer

That will be with only a filter and exhaust mods then ;-).

LG John

Frazer. don't count your chickens yet

I took a 10-100mph video at the weekend on a flat road with less then 1/4 of a tank and me on my own. I got all of my gearchanges perfect for a vtec engine and compaired my video to another 0-100mph video of a standard S2000. I ran through the videos time and time again and me and my mates all agreed that from 30-100mph my car is 3 seconds slower than stock.

I'm getting a standard airbox with a carbon snorkle put on the car and will then re-test it. If it doesn't work I'll take it to Honda and let them see and if they can't fault it and its still down on stock I'll sell it

Frazer

It will still be slower than my Cup, a standard S2000 will never run 14.2@100.7 mph at Crail.... I will run quicker than that now tho!

Aztec Performance Ltd

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*not getting into it*

But you would require a significant amount more power to leave another car 'well behind'.

*logging off*

LG John

http://www.donteatit.co.uk/vids/saxo100.avi

Above is my 0-100mph video taken on a flat road in the dry at the weekend. I wasn't trying to launch the car so ignore 0-20mph. All the posters on S2ki so far have said that its isn't pulling anything like it should and may are saying that 3rd gear is particularly gutless for an S2000. In the process of getting shot of my induction kit to see if that helps.

J4CKO

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SB, had a quick look at the video, it stalled halfway through, sound but no video but it was enough to notice your car has only done 12,000 miles, run in but it may loosen up further, also there are too many variables to start saying you got a duff one or its below par.

Few thoughts, some dafter than others.

When was it last serviced ?, perhaps the plugs are shagged (usually last longer but worth a try)

What brand of fuel are you using.

What grade of oil is in it, if somebody has put the wrong viscosity in it, that can cause drag and sap power, prob not 3 seconds worth but in combination with other factors.

Is your aircon clutch disengaging as it should.

Have you had it on a rolling road, that would highlight the difference.

Not 'launching' the car would make a big difference to the figures

Why are you so worried about matching published performance figures, have you seen how they go about getting them, its a bit brutal, a more accurate measure would be timing 30-70 thru the gears against the published figure rather than 0-100.

Have you checked your tyre pressures, a few psi to low can have a dramatic effect as an underinflated tyre turns a lot of energy into heat.

Altitude, where are you in relation to sea level, this has an effect as the higher you go the less oxygen there is, less oxygen = less power, the ecu takes care of this and I dont expect you are up a mountain but its worth checking.

Go and drive another one at a dealers, say you are thinking of getting a newer one, see if it feels any better/different.

Bit worried about the S2ki posters if they all look at their speedos when accelerating, I would venture that a dodgy video is not a good measure of performance, you need another owner local to you to drive it and you drive theirs, back to back to sort it out.

Sometimes cars are like this, I have had six Golf GTI's they were all different, the last black 8 valve with a few mods was really quick yet I had a white 8 valve that was plain slow even though I couldnt find anything 'wrong' with it.

LG John

Optimax and the correct oil. The run was flat, dry, near sea level and thrashed! The video wasn't actually of a 0-100mph run (I didn't launch) but rather was so I could see how she was pulling when on the move from the comfort of my home. I compared it from 30-100mph against another s2ki posters video and my car was 3 seconds slower in that incriment and both cars were driven equally hard. You can visibliy see his car pulling far harder in 2nd and 3rd gears. Air-con was switched off.

I strongly suspect she's been taking it too much hot air from the filter and has retarded as a result. I believe this because she seems much quicker after an ecu reset last night. Going to get shot of the filter asap and reset again.

Aztec Performance Ltd

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It should look like this:

http://www.st-upload.co.uk/vids/0-100.wmv


Bob

Greeny01

Would've thought the P1 would be quicker especially if there was a bend involved.

Why are you even compairing them? Ones a hairdressers car the other well..isnt (although I do secretly quite like them). Performace will be roughly the same.

Iain

Aztec Performance Ltd

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Did you miss the previous 5 pages?

Bob

J4CKO

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Hmm, the second one did look quicker, however who had your car before SB, were they a 'driver' or an 'operator', what I am getting at is my Mother in Law had a BMW 320i, the 24 valve one, an M reg, I drove it and thought it was slow, she only did 15,000 in 3 years and then my brother in law had it, and before he wrecked the engine by running it low on oil (t1t) he did several thousand miles and got the revs over 3000 which was pretty much where it had never been before, it was a different car, a lot quicker and more responsive, basically it never got run in until he got it and thrashed it.

Coversely if a car is murdered from new that can have an adverse affect, some cars take it and are better for it but others dont cope so well, I would suggest that perhaps a compression test is done to check that none is being lost, whip the oil filler off whilst it is running and see what comes out, an oily haze is ok but it shouldnt 'puff', thats a sure sign that there is some blow by past the rings.

LG John

It was owned by a petrol-headed lass who took care of it by running it in, warming it up, no expense spared but kicked cr@p out of it with vtec country runs and some track days in it. Its certainly not been overly abused or not driven hard.

For those that can be bothered to check if you pause the 2nd video at 6500rpm in 1st gear (this is where the car has just got full traction and is flying) then time it to 100mph and do the same for mines from 6500rpm in 1st to 100mph you'll see I lose 3s to him!!

J4CKO

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In that case, I am going to kick your *** in my Saab 9-3, keep the car off the road so as to not damage the S2000's reputation for other owners when you get spanked big time.

Sorry been painting all day, Gloss fumes + Thai whisky !

LG John

I have actually been backing down to 'oppertunities' because when it was running really gash it would struggle to see off your V6 rep mobiles

J4CKO

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And the reverse can be true, my supposed 150 bhp Saab goes like the clappers, reckon its more, some boys in a CRX with a big exhaust had a go (roll on from 30 to 90) and it was quicker than that, doesnt seem that much slower than my Fiat Coupe Turbo.

LG John

It's already a decent colour Actually, now that I'm used to it I think Imola Orange is the nicest colour they do the S2000 in. The Nurry Blue and Moonrock just look boring now!

J4CKO

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I suppose more people will get to admire the colour if you are going that bit slower.....

Dark Blue Mark

Nah, Berlina Black is the only man's colour

MB

RichB

Sports car = Red. Nuff said.

Frazer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frazer
Trust me it would, can pass 240 hp classic WRX's 30-100 no bother! If anyone with a standard UK turbowants to meet up for a wee play let me know, sure Saxoboy would come along with me.

I've proved it before so no need to get into it.

foz01

Get onto the SIDC day on the 12th June, Drag racing is, imho a waste of time, the corners are where the fun is, then lets see if your a driver

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

I read in a guide to the Integra Type R that a wrongly position induction kit, like in your S2000 can make a huge difference to the performance. Apparently the very high revving honda V-Tec's are literally strangled by having to deal with hot air from the engine bay.

There was not figure on power loss, just fairly marked, so could be consevatively losing 5% at the top end. Could be 10-15bhp. However, add the cold air induction system you've talked about, and could gain 10-15bhp over standard. That difference of 20-30bhp could make the difference between falling behind the Clio cup or keeping up with it or pulling ahead. Also I think you could expect 10-15bhp again for a full HKS system. Add that on top and I don't think you will have Clio's going past you.

Also waiting at a big round about the other day a S2000 came storming around it, right on the limit with the back end just sliding out. I just can't see any Clio matching the right driver in the S2000. Maybe you do need to just push that little bit harder to find the extra speed off that round about.

At the end of the day I don't think it matters either. The S2000 has got to be vastly more rewarding to drive.