if your 205 is as good as my renault 5 then I'll go with the pug cause I enjoy driving my 5 much more and seems to be just as good round the corners, until I apply the power down coming out of the corner and it doesnt want to grip.... as said handling and grip are different things, the scoob has the grip factor my 5 doesnt.

 

Nellie .........especially in a 205GTi you shouldnt lol.........

 

"Bit of an off"

"Bitovanoff and Adenoff at Adenau".

 

205 gti and 944 turbo both struggle at Adenau now don't they chaps?

...and Gary, thats before Adenau.

 

Yep. They do....

Funny as though wunnit!!!

 

[QUOTE=Senior_AP]
RWD is fun for Tiff Needell.

I do believe that is was Mr Needell himself that totalled a Mk2 Escort rally legend a few years back just prior to the RAC rally, the easiest cars in the world to drive sideways on a throttle, point made!

I think if you look back at the roots of what these cars were intended for, rallying, and in particular, nasty, horrible, greasy, single track roads such as those found around the West coast of Scotland where such classic events as The Tour of Mull Rally ( superb event ) are held. When it comes to such terrain, only the Evo's have true pace to match Sub's through these corners ( and even they use electronic aids to get you through the corners!)
Craig

 

[QUOTE=craigdmcd]I totally agree.

FWD - shoping car.

RWD - Tarmac race car

4WD - Gravel/ice/grease/mud/sand and picking up the kids from school.

 

Craig, but were not talking about off roading on gravel or muddy roads, were talking about the car we drive everyday on the everyday roads.... No doubt that in a modern day rally the hot hatch wouldnt stand a chance

 

Unless it's tarmac of course where the kit cars can and do kick the wrc cars 4sses.

And they're front wheel drive......

Any comments about twisties?

 

Ne1 been in a Polo G40 Koni Shoks and Eibach springsyou can get those things round bends even with the standard "bike" wheels because they're so light in the front end they wont struggle on any corners.

The big thing about 4wd is the engine is in front of the front wheels this leeds to excelent stability but will also inevitably leed to understeer wheras all "good" handling cars have the engine either behind or above the front axle.
On most cars this will make them understeer less but that security and stability is lost to some degree. Every Pug + most FWD cars i've driven are fine until you reach those high speed corners then tey're a little too twitchy and nervy without power or you get understeer with power on. Then RWD you have to push these round corners to get the best out of them but push too hard and you'r history it takes a master to get RWD right.

What this says is that 4WD is more useable more of the time.

BUT then along came BMW and such, with traction control!!! (not saying it's best for fun but for your average driver youll be faster with it on due to the security it gives you)

 

Not from me, thats what this thread is about and Im favoring the (or at least mine) 18 year old hot hatch

 

well speaking honestly, i still miss some of what my MK1 MR2 used to do around the corners compared to my 03 WRX.

it was fairly light and the sterring was oh-so-precise (only on a dry surface though)

andy.

 

At 5 degrees negative CraigH I agree with you, the inside edges would wear out. I honestly don't think that would be an advantage though. Mine was set up at just over 1 degree and try as I like, the understeer has all gone and the car is perfectly balanced. Putting the "boot" in on a wet road during a corner just caused the back end to drift out gently under full control. Can't say enough how well it handled. The tyres wore dead flat across the tread too.

Les

 

quattroMNC,

Good point about stability vs handling. In the real world of public road driving stability counts for a heck of a lot. With you idea of front engine in front of the axle, have you ever compared an Impreza with a UrQuattro? Does the UrQ provide yet more stability than the Impreza? Thanks, JL

 

Proton satria gti!!

u may laugh, but these little beautys are well and truly awesome round the twistys.

has anyone here drove one around silverstone??

 

i used to own a 309 gti and it was the best handling car i've driven

 

Chav Scum in Nikes after they've just ripped off your car stereo!!

 

lol@RB5193

 

Marvellous answer RB.........your a credit to the forum

 

My ford gay-a with coilovers and a roll cage would regularly annoy scoobies, 172 clios and the likes around the twisties with a knackered motor, I miss those days

 

Now theres a stupid car - Ford Ka - give it ridiculous looks, crap brakes, truly dire engine and an awesome chassis. What a waste......

 

My Mk2 RS Mex goes around corners sideways.

Better than any scoob or pug205!

what about that then, missus?

02

 

Who mentioned muddy roads, I'm talking about the style of roads from days gone by that we still have up North that truly test a car and driver (drop us a line and you can get directions)
Craig