911(996) Turbo - blimey!
11 April 2003, 11:17 AM
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I'll dispute this. I've driven an Evo 6, driven a 993 C2, and preferred the steering on the Porsche.
given the choice of the two, I know where my money would be going.
The Porsche has this same character but to a much higher degree; the Evo/Imprezas of this world do not. Sure, they're astonishingly fast, and can be made to go even faster for not too much money, but they're still about statistics. The speed gives the thrill, not the car.
Put another way, you can drink Port Ellen 25 year old single malt whisky or a cheap nasty Asda blend. One costs £100 per bottle (if you can get it) and the other costs £10 or less. Both whisky, both have just as much alcohol in them, both get you just as drunk. When you're 18 you drink the cheap one on the basis that you can have loads of this for the same price as the other. Sure, it tastes like dog-pee, but hey, it gets you drunk.
I wish you well with your Evo, Claudius, but I hope you can understand that some of us want more than just speed (though clearly, we want that too!)
I understand some people dont only want the ability but also the comfort, status etc.; I never disputed that. My point was that for the price it costs, a Porsche Turbo is way too slow and to old a design etc. and has comfort and interiour etc. It's not a driving machine, it's a reasonably performing luxury car.
Take care all
11 April 2003, 11:52 AM
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Mark ran out of ideas and posted this:-
###The Toyota Soarer is the fastest car in the world and can be tunned to do 16 swquillion miles an hour and pull 5 googleplex G round a bend and no one cares.
One person who drives a Soarer is a **** and is not prepared to let other people have an opinion that doesn't agree with his.###
Awww, bless... and you were doing so well up to then... hahaha
###The Toyota Soarer is the fastest car in the world and can be tunned to do 16 swquillion miles an hour and pull 5 googleplex G round a bend and no one cares.
One person who drives a Soarer is a **** and is not prepared to let other people have an opinion that doesn't agree with his.###
Awww, bless... and you were doing so well up to then... hahaha
11 April 2003, 12:03 PM
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I guess in that case, a Ferrari F360 is even worse than the 996tt, cos it's slower & much more expensive than the Porsche.
It also speaks volumes for Porsche engineers, as they've managed to extract out that amount of performance & safety from a 'fundamentally wrong' design.
It also speaks volumes for Porsche engineers, as they've managed to extract out that amount of performance & safety from a 'fundamentally wrong' design.
11 April 2003, 12:05 PM
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I guess in that case, a Ferrari F360 is even worse than the 996tt, cos it's slower & much more expensive than the Porsche.
It also speaks volumes for Porsche engineers, as they've managed to extract out that amount of performance & safety from a 'fundamentally wrong' design.
11 April 2003, 12:46 PM
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No, the purchase price maybe the same, but maintenance cost isn't. A Ferrari costs much more to run than a Porsche, servicing & fuel etc.
I don't think u're giving enough credit for the guys in Porsche, they've managed to make a rear engined car that's safe to drive & at the same time able to handle that amount of power.
I do not understand why some ppl hate Porsche, it is a great car in itself, & u're comparing apples & oranges between it & an Evo/STi. Even tho I prefer a Subaru over an Evo, I don't hate Evos.
If u're talking abt value for money, then one man's treasure is another man's trash. Evos are good value for money, & so are Porsches. U just have to compare with the other competitors in the same class & price range. An Evo is not in the same class as a Porsche.
If Porsches are so bad, then there wouldn't be so many professional racing drivers buying them. In fact, there are a lot of Porsche enthusiasts within professional racing drivers circles in Japan. The current Japanese Gr.N saloon car champion is a Porsche enthusiast, & the machine that carried him to victory is an Evo 7.
I don't think u're giving enough credit for the guys in Porsche, they've managed to make a rear engined car that's safe to drive & at the same time able to handle that amount of power.
I do not understand why some ppl hate Porsche, it is a great car in itself, & u're comparing apples & oranges between it & an Evo/STi. Even tho I prefer a Subaru over an Evo, I don't hate Evos.
If u're talking abt value for money, then one man's treasure is another man's trash. Evos are good value for money, & so are Porsches. U just have to compare with the other competitors in the same class & price range. An Evo is not in the same class as a Porsche.
If Porsches are so bad, then there wouldn't be so many professional racing drivers buying them. In fact, there are a lot of Porsche enthusiasts within professional racing drivers circles in Japan. The current Japanese Gr.N saloon car champion is a Porsche enthusiast, & the machine that carried him to victory is an Evo 7.
11 April 2003, 01:18 PM
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No, the purchase price maybe the same, but maintenance cost isn't. A Ferrari costs much more to run than a Porsche, servicing & fuel etc.
I don't think u're giving enough credit for the guys in Porsche, they've managed to make a rear engined car that's safe to drive & at the same time able to handle that amount of power.
I do not understand why some ppl hate Porsche, it is a great car in itself
I do not understand why some ppl hate Porsche, it is a great car in itself
u're comparing apples & oranges between it & an Evo/STi.
Evos are good value for money, & so are Porsches. U just have to compare with the other competitors in the same class & price range. An Evo is not in the same class as a Porsche.
If Porsches are so bad, then there wouldn't be so many professional racing drivers buying them.
The current Japanese Gr.N saloon car champion is a Porsche enthusiast, & the machine that carried him to victory is an Evo 7.
11 April 2003, 01:45 PM
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I don't want to throw a spanner in the works here but the ferrari design is about 5 years old... the 911 is now almost 40 years old... it has taken almost 40 years to turn a 'sows ear' into a 'suede lederhosen' (suederhosen? ) so it ain't that great an achievement really... they have had 10+ attempts to get it right... and it is still not good enough...
You guys make me laugh...
) so it ain't that great an achievement really... they have had 10+ attempts to get it right... and it is still not good enough...You guys make me laugh...
11 April 2003, 01:46 PM
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Claudius,
Why drives you to antagonise people the way you do? Your quote/unquote style of replying provokes a tennis match battle that nobody but yourself could ever win. Your biggotry is so blatantly obvious that I'm interested as to why sensible and mature people such as GCollier are bringing themselves down to your level.
You sound like a jealous brat pulling at every straw you can to make everyone belive that you drive the best car on the planet and nobody's opinion is worth ****.
Porsche - you'd think they had a good thing there, but thank you Claudius, you've proved us all wrong.
You've mad me ill reading your posts...
Cem
Why drives you to antagonise people the way you do? Your quote/unquote style of replying provokes a tennis match battle that nobody but yourself could ever win. Your biggotry is so blatantly obvious that I'm interested as to why sensible and mature people such as GCollier are bringing themselves down to your level.
You sound like a jealous brat pulling at every straw you can to make everyone belive that you drive the best car on the planet and nobody's opinion is worth ****.
Porsche - you'd think they had a good thing there, but thank you Claudius, you've proved us all wrong.
You've mad me ill reading your posts...
Cem
11 April 2003, 01:47 PM
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My point was that for the price it costs, a Porsche Turbo is way too slow and to old a design etc. and has comfort and interiour etc. It's not a driving machine, it's a reasonably performing luxury car.
Keep 'em coming Claudius
11 April 2003, 02:01 PM
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Also the Ferrari despite being Italian with all that that implies was right straight away... so that also shows how much of a rip off the 911 is, it costs as much as the Ferrari...
911 = Old tart dressed up in fancy bra and knickers with warts everywhere costing as much to bed as...
360 a svelte Roman ***** with a gorgeous body and revvy as fvck.
Whatever way you look at it the Posche is just a bit of a bag lady.
911 = Old tart dressed up in fancy bra and knickers with warts everywhere costing as much to bed as...
360 a svelte Roman ***** with a gorgeous body and revvy as fvck.
Whatever way you look at it the Posche is just a bit of a bag lady.
11 April 2003, 02:03 PM
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You guys 
I love the fact a 40 year old race car still wins endurance races.
All the other manufacturers must be scratching there heads at that one.........................
FOS
I love the fact a 40 year old race car still wins endurance races.
All the other manufacturers must be scratching there heads at that one.........................
FOS
11 April 2003, 02:06 PM
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40 years developement... Endurence races... could be a clue there... the only head scratching would be an empty one...
Hahahahahahahahaha
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/11/2003 2:09:07 PM]
Hahahahahahahahaha
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/11/2003 2:09:07 PM]
11 April 2003, 02:07 PM
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Consider this...if one can afford to spend £90k on a car then one probably isn't concerned soley about value for money vs performance.
Thank you
11 April 2003, 02:39 PM
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No ones been convinced modern Porsches suck, sorry Claudius. Unfortunately the EVO drivers have lapped their local circuit in a bog standard 996 C2 quicker than the MY03STIPPP, so we can't admit that. Howver they creamed both the 996 and the 575 with a boggo EVO8...so the results must be rigged :grin:
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11 April 2003, 02:55 PM
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Mycroft, very dissapointed with that response.
I thought you were an expert at Endurance racing too...........
I thought you were an expert at Endurance racing too...........
11 April 2003, 02:59 PM
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Are you laughing at the poor mans spelling even though he edited it?
AHahahahahahahahahaha, you right, that is funny.
AHahahahahahahahahaha, you right, that is funny.
LOL
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11 April 2003, 03:12 PM
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A bit off topic but I don't think Claudius is trying to "get in" with Mycroft at all.
Oh and my comments about the types that tend to choose Porsche's are still valid. Style over substance is what they are about, largely a trinket for rich folk without the taste to choose a car wisely.
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A bit off topic but I don't think Claudius is trying to "get in" with Mycroft at all.
Oh and my comments about the types that tend to choose Porsche's are still valid. Style over substance is what they are about, largely a trinket for rich folk without the taste to choose a car wisely.
11 April 2003, 03:22 PM
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I like the fact you actually take to insulting my car, when you argument is running a bit thin.
Go bolt some more **** on your rice rocket, and drive past a few schools
FOS
Go bolt some more **** on your rice rocket, and drive past a few schools
FOS
11 April 2003, 03:32 PM
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Just stepping in for a sec
I don't think anyone was insulting your car davyboy, after all you can't afford a 911 Turbo or you'd have one.
As for rice rocket this is a rice rocket forum-we like them here.
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Just stepping in for a sec
I don't think anyone was insulting your car davyboy, after all you can't afford a 911 Turbo or you'd have one.
As for rice rocket this is a rice rocket forum-we like them here.