skiddus_markus

A new Sunny GTiR in 92/93 was around £20500.Add inflation and they'd be as much as an STi UK.The lower price reflects the age.There aren't many H reg cars that will fetch £3500-6000.

Saxoboy-GTiRs also suffer fuel surge so I won't take the p**s(been done to death anyway)and if you've got less than about a 1/3 of a tank it cuts out on launching or fast sweeping bends-pretty dangerous really as it's like throwing an anchor out of the back to engage the parachute and having Panthera off thundercats spikey waist coat thingy go off at the same time.Whilst running over an arrester cable.Have you sorted it out?A longer fuel pick up works on the Nissan.

PPPscooby

yeah but how many other cars that were worth £20k ten years ago are going for £30k today, most jap turbo's go for around the £20k ish mark and have stayed there. Prices brand new were prob bout the same, but if you want one today the cheaper option is the pulsar.

andrew420

Kempo 230 were you being generous

220 uk spec and 227 import but only cuz of the octane rating in Japan

I would have imagined the scoobs had the same problems with the clutches bet they are easier to change on a scoob tho

Scoobs are great cars it will be intresting to see the 1/4 miles they run at the pod this year

LG John

Thats more or less how I'd describe it in my car! The VTS never suffered this must be a jap thing? I've sorted it by not driving as hard on low fuel.....simple and cost effective

GINGA

I own a pulsar and the stories about scoobys being more reliable is bollox,I read scoobynet alot and all you see is my engines blown up,my gearbox is blown up etc etc now I know theres alot more scoobys than pulsars but it still makes you think
Its true that scoobys handle better than pulsars and they do sounds lovely.
I've had my pulsar for over 2.5years and in that time its only been off the road for 3 days 1 to change the clutch when it started slipping because I raised the boost and 2 when the radiator started leaking and they ordered the wrong one.
As with any car when you start tuning it you will get problems FACT!! and in that respect the pulsar is no worse than any other car, the gearbox is the weakest link and can break if abused,super fast gear changes seem to be the biggest problems because the selector on 3rd/4th is only a cast item and can snap if forced and the brakes are totally sh*t but easily upgraded.
Other than that the pulsar has no real problems.
I like scoobys but I wouldn't swop the pulsar for one of the same value or even a few grand more.
I like the pulsar because its different and you don't see many about(unless you go to santa pod that is)Its not the theif magnet other cars are,its a small car with 2L turbo and 4wd,its easy and cheap to tune,parts are pretty cheap and easy to come by,can be insured tpft which makes the insurance that much cheaper.
At the end of the day its your choice if you've wanted a pulsar for a long time get the pulsar and ignor all the b0ll0x spoken by people owning other cars and read the owners club forum for any info you require and by doing that you can also get a good idea about what can and does go wrong rather than just what people say.
And if you want a scooby get a scooby there both top cars and both have there pro's and cons.best to get a test drive in each to see which one you prefer to.

Kosy

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I agree with most of the above in that they are both top cars.

Thing is, you must remember to compare like for like.
In my eyes thats a 6k Pulsar (225bhp) and a 6k Jap WRX (256bhp).

I dont know some people are jumping in saying STi Type R's and 22Bs
and Evo's are better than GTi-Rs.

Totally pointless as if she is wanting a GTi-R she's hardly gonna
stump up an extra 10k to buy an Evo 5 is she????

Mad4it

£6k for a GTiR will get you upto 320bhp Conservatively if you shop around. £4.5k will buy you a 220bhp GTiR.

But the Scoob's in the price range £6k will get you a newer model. £10k on a GTiR will get you 400bhp.

Who Am I Then?

hav'nt had time to read all 7 pages of this thread.

But lets help the girl out here.

Sorry to say it but you ain't gonna get the subjective answer your lookin for! tooo many cossie, Gti M3 and Reliant Robin owners here love

what we need is Mr Jeremy Clarksons opinion

let me see if i can remember..... which car HE would prefer to drive home in?? and it was'nt even an Sti that was compared to the OTHER car, can't even remember what the other car was now was it a Pokus? or something similar

Steve Whitehorn

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Definately would say that with all cars it depends on how much money has been spent on modifying them to iron out their weak points and how much is spent on keeping them set up well. As well as how experienced and used to the car the driver is. Having said that....


Having driven both - I definately think that Scoobies as a rule outhandle Pulsars. Although standard scoobs do understeer. Scoobs also sound better. However Pulsars can push out big BHP and torque so respect is due (from the people that brought you the Skyline) and I am sure that there are some out there that would put scoobies to shame.

But my MY94 WRX is the best

Best wishes
Steve

chrisp

LOL I predicted the insults would fly 3 pages ago. Now if only I can predict the lottery numbers .

Actually seriously considering a Nissan a new 350Z if its any good .

davey2

If that denim wearing, boufant haired ******* chose the Scooby, i'd sell up and buy a nova! (he did choose the scooby, right?)

One_Lung

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well its good to see that my thread is going strong!

I hope this has helped u Lisa.

Everybody has there own opinions and inevitabely there will always be a better 'this' or better 'that'.
but being biased why doesnt everybody in the world buy a scooby then we would all see how good they are

PhilBennett

I reckon what you need is a 5 Turbo - that way you've only tossed a grand away when it ends in a hedge!

chrisp

Only car I have seen blow up on the road is a R5 turbo and not one either I have actually seen two go pop.

currymonster

I've owned both ( as said earlier) and both are great cars. The scoob has benefited from continued development which is ongoing. The GTIR never got this chance but still has a loyal following.

If I had the money I'd have one of each, but after the unreliability of my rare uk spec sunny GTIR, I do prefer the scoob now. although there were many GTIR owners on Calebs GTIROC site whos cars were reliable and who loved their GTIRs every bit as the scoob boys love their beasts

Dont squabble, enjoy the cars, all performance metal is sexy, just feel smug you have one of them, whichever it happens to be. Vive la difference!

P.S. If you can't affor either buy a 306 GTI6, bloody good cars and cheap as chips now!

Cal

turbo bob

iv got a scooby turbo and my mate has got a gti-r.
compared to the gti-r the scoob is gay(lookes wise),alot of people round my way have scoobs and their all fu**ed,even the "good ones".
gregs gti-r has done just over 50k and has had a new clutch fitted and turbo reconditioned,it runs 1.1 bar boost,full mongoose,hks clutch and my scoob runs a bar and a filter and the gti-r wastes it.
my preffered car would be the gti-r,but il have the cheaper to insure uk spec scoob and just "borrow" gregs when hes away working.
maybe someone could organise a gti-r v scoob track day?

LG John

Assuming my car gets back on the road after its recent kerb incident then I'll give him a go

TonyBurns

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Turbo Bob,
if you bump your boost up .5 bar i feel that you will waste a GTiR no problems (as thats whats been done here, 1 bar on a scoob engine isnt really much )
You also have to take into consideration that the GTiR isnt exactly the lightest car out there (i believe it weighs more than a uk scoob ) due to its heavy running gear.
Alot of these GTiR's are over 10 years old now, reliability is going to be an issue, they were quite fragile when they were new let alone nowerdays, but saying that, tuning has come along way since then.
I would also state that a scoob is a more reliable car (if looked after, ran on the correct fuel/good oil etc) and now that scoob tuning is coming on a little bit, you can see that you can actually get more from a scoob engine in its standard form than you can with a GTiR

Tony

Mad4it

Nothing wrong with a Renault 5 GTTurbo, just with some of the ****'s that drive them, turning up the boost and then wondering why the head gasket has gone.

CraigH

Adam,

You say "the concept of the impreza is pretty much unmatched and produces one of the grippiest and best handling rolling chassis'"

That's not strictly true - Imprezas grip well and aare well balanced but they are not naturally good handling cars - they don't have an adequate suspension design for that. They're not bad but they're not good in the true sense.

You also say "This is due to it being designed from the ground up to be four wheel drive." - is that why Land rovers are naturally such good handlers?

LadyCruzer

TonyBurns: U state that
a scoob is a more reliable car (if looked after, ran on the correct fuel/good oil etc)
But surely thats the same for any car?? No matter what car it is - the mighty skyline to a little nissan micra - something is bound to go wrong if not looked after properly.
As far as i can see, if the car whether it be a Pulsar, Scooby or whatever, has been setup properly for the amount of boost, driving type (eg, 1/4 mile racing, town driving, etc.) and the car is well looked after, serviced and MOTd regularly there should be very few problems with it!

LadyCruzer

[quote]scooby is an over priced version of a pulsar hey, next thing i will hear is that a skyline is an over priced version of a scooby.... mate its just a better car, thats why its priced more...Another point to add to this ..

As whoever posted the above quote is not taking the age into consideration ill use exactly the same motive...

A 2002 1.4 Nissan Micra goes for around 10k yet you can get a perfectly standard mint Scooby WRX for about 6k so... just because the 1.4 MIcra is newer it makes it a better car ??

Ill let you figure this one out for yourself mate...

skiddus_markus

You're like a little terrier you are Lisa.

Nick200

I dont know many kids with a pic of a pulsar on their wall!

Just the opinion of a scooby owner,
nothing personal.....

PPPscooby

lady cruzer u fail to understand the concept, u cant compare a nissan micra to a scooby, cos they are different cars made for a different market, a standard sti can prob beat a standard skyline to 60mph, but it doesnt make the scooby a better car then the skyline. And nad yes ur right, a scooby is a cheaper version of a skyline, not afraid to admit it. But atleast its a better car then the pulsar.

PPPscooby

also i dont understand people who dont buy a certain car as there is too many on the road, reason theres alot of a particular make on the road is because alot of people think its the best motor for their money. Enuff scoobs on the road cos there a good car, even more beemers on the road cos they are decent cars. IF you think pulsars are so brilliant why arent there more on the road, as you said they were made before the scoob so had enuff time to build up a good following.

nisr227

IMO the Pulsar wins, far more enjoyble to drive, doesn't grip so well but it can do with the correct mods (in time the scoobs have moved on) but its great fun provoking slidding with the correct setup. Don't get me wrong, I like Scoobs, they sound awesome, I just prefer the Pulsar as a drivers car. I have upmost respect for Scoobs.

They are both unreliable as each if abused and not looked after correctly. Correct Setup (rolling road) is vital if running more boost on the Pulsar because of the poor fuel away from Japan, a few years ago people just didn't do this.

There are a lot more crappy Pulsars around than Scoobs becuase of their price and importers originally getting on the band wagon so to speak. As mentioned by others, some people buy them but can't afford to run them properly.

My brother sold his WRX early Sti Scoob after driver my Pulsar (I have susp mods) and he bought one himself. ND have now tuned his with forged pistons, cams, FMIC etc 6 pots etc, and hopefully he'll have a par box soon but so far the OE is taken it, not for long!).

But overall, modified Evo5/6/7's are better than both, especially after seeing them at G-Force the other day. I will have one in a couple of years, tuned to 380bhp.

The scoobs are common, and I know this won't make a difference to how it drives, but it makes a difference to what people expect of it. Most reps/drivers etc still haven't got a clue what the Pulsar is, great fun showing them otherwise. You just don't get this in the Scoob.

My Pulsar has been totally reliable over the last two and a half years, its all down to just looking after it correctly, and not running too much boost (1bar 300bhp). Its had 2 Powerstation setups after mods, I always run Optimax, change oil every 3k and even let it cool down after just a 5 minute drive. It gets TLC but still thrashed when the need arises. The only thing that let me down was a flat battery, I bought a new one.

But reliability, looks, etc aside, and there's obviously the Castle Combe day, lets proove performance on the stip, as someone has suggested lets organise a.....

SCOOB V GTIR RWUB day at SANTAPOD in a few months.

We already beat you overall a few weeks back. As we all respect each other cars, i'm up for it, could be good fun. And if there anyone with a genuine 400bhp Scoob...can I have a ride? All friendly fun.

chrisp

Simply comes down to what you want at the end of the day. I dont drive my car at the limit on the road, I aint good enough or stupid enough to try. I know my scoob is better than me and unless I take it on track I would never find the limits. Trouble is finding the limits may turn out expensive . The same can be said of the pulsar I guess but cant say as I have never driven one as at the time I wanted/needed a 4 door so I didnt bother test driving one.

Tranquil

come on guys ease down

you gotta remember R's were developed to compete against
a totally different era of rally cars,
Sierra Sapphire (SP)
Galant VR4
ST185 Celica GT-Four
Mazda Familia GT-R
Lancia

Its impressive R's are still considered competitive on the street.
Out of the above list R's are and will always be considered the fastest/best 'road' car from that era.

stir_1
just to stir the pot a lil more ... As you all know NZ is the home of cheap jap cars. We have 4 Evo's in the 10's one in the 9's (yes 9's) at least 10 in the 11's. Fastest R over here is owned by a chick (blitzR) ran a 11.3 on std driveline, couple more breaking into the l1's and a soon to be re-tuned 10 second potential R.
Now, how about the Scoobys ? fastest one i know of is a full house 2.5L with no $$$ spared ($$ from the orient..) ran a high 11.

stir_0

Paul_M

There's a wildly tuned WRX in aus running in the 9s IIRC.