Scoobys Vs Pulsars
03 February 2003, 02:10 PM
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I used to fancy a scoob when Colin McRae was driving back in 95, and over the years they became even more popular and so my interest waned to a point of thinking they looked common (Common = naff in my book).
Since then I bought a gtir and my mate a sti5.
We banter each other to death about the relative dismerits of each car. Its true to say that owners of different marques get rose tinted spectacles on when talking about their own car.
His/our main arguement is, "why buy a 10 year old gtir for £6kish and spend £X,000 making it perform as good as Sccob when you could spend £15ish for a recent sti thats nearly new and does everything you want already?"
He loves the looks of his scoob, I hate the looks and vice versa
My car squeaks, his doesn't its lovely inside.
We're fairly even round the twisties and straights. The twisties not due to handling but because "I'm far more willing to roll a £6k car than he is his" frame of mind
There are tuning mods gearboxes/clutches/brakes/suspension+handling kits available that will bring on a par and go beyond mods available for scoobs.
But the clincher, is fuel starvation on No3 cylinder is not an issue for gtirs and so getting big power is far cheaper in the long run... this is important for me.
Since then I bought a gtir and my mate a sti5.
We banter each other to death about the relative dismerits of each car. Its true to say that owners of different marques get rose tinted spectacles on when talking about their own car.
His/our main arguement is, "why buy a 10 year old gtir for £6kish and spend £X,000 making it perform as good as Sccob when you could spend £15ish for a recent sti thats nearly new and does everything you want already?"
He loves the looks of his scoob, I hate the looks and vice versa
My car squeaks, his doesn't its lovely inside.
We're fairly even round the twisties and straights. The twisties not due to handling but because "I'm far more willing to roll a £6k car than he is his" frame of mind
There are tuning mods gearboxes/clutches/brakes/suspension+handling kits available that will bring on a par and go beyond mods available for scoobs.
But the clincher, is fuel starvation on No3 cylinder is not an issue for gtirs and so getting big power is far cheaper in the long run... this is important for me.
03 February 2003, 02:16 PM
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My mate is a Trader he has owned loads of stuff M3's M5's Porsche
He has bought a Pulsar because he said it handles like a Saxo!
I felt insulted so he said come to the garage and try a VTS out
WTF how do they handle like that awesome for a small car!
(theres a turbo VTS round my way gonna give him some respect now)
Frank
My mate is a Trader he has owned loads of stuff M3's M5's Porsche
He has bought a Pulsar because he said it handles like a Saxo!
I felt insulted so he said come to the garage and try a VTS out
WTF how do they handle like that awesome for a small car!
(theres a turbo VTS round my way gonna give him some respect now)
Frank
03 February 2003, 02:33 PM
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how do the posts imply that the pulsar will blow up?
I have already said that with similar mods mine has been fine and running more than 260BHP
also when i say i would want a scoob for more than 6k it would have to ba a 2 dr STi jobbie
I have already said that with similar mods mine has been fine and running more than 260BHP
also when i say i would want a scoob for more than 6k it would have to ba a 2 dr STi jobbie
03 February 2003, 02:52 PM
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Used to have a GTiR, and can compare it with the Scooby more or less identical on power ratings. The standard boost is .6bar, but with a couple of turns of a bleed valve, you can reach 1 bar without adjusting the fueling. That will give you around 280bhp.
The only thing with the scooby's, is that they handle a lot better.
I ran a 11.7 quarter mile in my GTiR at 124mph, so it was p.d.q, but have been in a similar power Scooby, and was very similar in performance in a straight line, even though the gearing on the GTiR is a lot longer than most Scooby's.
The main thing with the GTiR's is the poor gearboxes that they have. I lost 3 boxes in 18month's, mainly by drag racing.
The only thing with the scooby's, is that they handle a lot better.
I ran a 11.7 quarter mile in my GTiR at 124mph, so it was p.d.q, but have been in a similar power Scooby, and was very similar in performance in a straight line, even though the gearing on the GTiR is a lot longer than most Scooby's.
The main thing with the GTiR's is the poor gearboxes that they have. I lost 3 boxes in 18month's, mainly by drag racing.
03 February 2003, 02:54 PM
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Andrew, I meant more in terms of reliability in response to the implication that a 6k scooby is un-desirable
As I said, I like the GTIRs, in fact, if I had 5 - 6k and wanted a big bang for bucks car I would consider one, along with a 5 - 6k scooby...
Oh and by the way 1 Bar boost in a GTIR will give you 250 -260 BHP but be careful. Clutches and gearboxes are notorioudsly unreliable on GTIRs specially with upped power. And a clutch replacement is difficult and can cost between 5 and 700 hundred quid so budget for this...
03 February 2003, 03:06 PM
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Oh............when you said blow up i thought you meant it was curtains for the datsun "hole a piston stylee"
they are not unreliable at 1 bar.
Yes The clutch will need changing sooner or later (mine has been fine for 2+ years tho) .
Yes if you do LOTS of standing starts the the box will let go.......
both easilly sorted (if costly)
how do 6K scoobys cluthches and gearboxes compare with lots of standing starts at 300 bhp and simmilar torque??
they are not unreliable at 1 bar.
Yes The clutch will need changing sooner or later (mine has been fine for 2+ years tho) .
Yes if you do LOTS of standing starts the the box will let go.......
both easilly sorted (if costly)
how do 6K scoobys cluthches and gearboxes compare with lots of standing starts at 300 bhp and simmilar torque??
03 February 2003, 03:10 PM
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not always about performance you know, its about image aswell, realistically if all you pulsar owners are honest, you will know you've got a cheap version of a scooby. Some guy pulls up next to you and has a M3 wont think your driving a pile of cr@p if your in a decent scooby, but in a pulsar your just gonna get laffed at even if you can beat it. Only people who are gonna give you a thumbs up are the little nova SR posse.
03 February 2003, 03:19 PM
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What the hell??
As i said before i dont think Scoobys OR Pulsars are that nice looking and theres definate similarities between them both but i dont want it JUST for the looks. I want a nice weekend/show/meet/cruise car that i can be proud of and say 'yes its mine! Ive done this this and this to it, etc etc and im happy with my efforts'
If i wanted a car specifically for looks, id buy a BMW.
As i said before i dont think Scoobys OR Pulsars are that nice looking and theres definate similarities between them both but i dont want it JUST for the looks. I want a nice weekend/show/meet/cruise car that i can be proud of and say 'yes its mine! Ive done this this and this to it, etc etc and im happy with my efforts'
If i wanted a car specifically for looks, id buy a BMW.
03 February 2003, 03:24 PM
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Oh........... I thought this was about the merits of the cars performance. If its about image then yes the pulsar is just a wanna be scoob. Its a pile of crap butt ugly and you get no respect from BM drivers. Ohh to get the thumbs up from M3 drivers............one day when i get my scoob
03 February 2003, 03:31 PM
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Which came first the scoob or the gtir? and which was more expensive at that time? When you've found that out you can comment which is the poor mans car...
If you really want to compare a scoob with a gtir then you have to take a UK scoob and a gtir, which both are comprimised when comparing to a wrx or an sti...
If you really want to compare a scoob with a gtir then you have to take a UK scoob and a gtir, which both are comprimised when comparing to a wrx or an sti...
03 February 2003, 03:32 PM
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buy a pulsar if you wanna cruise round macdonalds car park. Buy a scoob or an evo if you want somethin decent.
By the sounds of it, u must hang around with the 'nova boys' @ maccy d's since you fail to understand the concept of 'a-d-u-l-t d-i-s-c-u-s-s-i-o-n'
Come back when u can at least put together a suitable arguements as to why 'pulsars are a pile of crap' and why scoobys rule the world... *sigh*
By the sounds of it, u must hang around with the 'nova boys' @ maccy d's since you fail to understand the concept of 'a-d-u-l-t d-i-s-c-u-s-s-i-o-n'
Come back when u can at least put together a suitable arguements as to why 'pulsars are a pile of crap' and why scoobys rule the world... *sigh*
03 February 2003, 03:32 PM
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I ran a 11.7 quarter mile in my GTiR at 124mph, so it was p.d.q,
,with a meagre 350bhp.PPP-most people on here are having a fairly sensible discussion,without having to resort to insults and the usual thread degradation.
I think the original question was about handling.Out of the box-from people I know who've owned both,the Impreza has it.Try and find a standard Pulsar though.
03 February 2003, 03:42 PM
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Skiddus Markus - Lol, dont think I will be racing this year in the Scoob, cos it has cost me so much money, I cant afford for anything else to go wrong.
Dave at DP Motorsport is rebuilding, with bigger injectors, roller bearing etc etc.
Bruce will be racing his car this year, and Im sure that will go very well, late 10's perhaps on a good run.
Dave at DP Motorsport is rebuilding, with bigger injectors, roller bearing etc etc.
Bruce will be racing his car this year, and Im sure that will go very well, late 10's perhaps on a good run.
03 February 2003, 03:46 PM
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So your saying that it isnt a grown up comment to say scoobs are better then pulsars cos you get more respect on the road and at cruises in a scoob then a pulsar. Both cars are quick, but a pulsar is definatly a poor mans car.
03 February 2003, 03:55 PM
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No, i think you'll find a £200 mk2 fiesta is a poor mans car ...
And another thing PPP, id suggest you keep quiet as you seem to be embarrassing yourself with lack of knowledge and adolescent comments.
And another thing PPP, id suggest you keep quiet as you seem to be embarrassing yourself with lack of knowledge and adolescent comments.
03 February 2003, 04:12 PM
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So your saying that it isnt a grown up comment to say scoobs are better then pulsars cos you get more respect on the road and at cruises in a scoob then a pulsar. Both cars are quick, but a pulsar is definatly a poor mans car.
Why pay £10K + for performance when you can get at least as good, if not better for less than £6K? Sounds like good judgment to me. Pulsar can't be a poor mans car, have you seen the fuel consumption figures? :O
So your saying that it isnt a grown up comment to say scoobs are better then pulsars cos you get more respect on the road and at cruises in a scoob then a pulsar. Both cars are quick, but a pulsar is definatly a poor mans car.
Why pay £10K + for performance when you can get at least as good, if not better for less than £6K? Sounds like good judgment to me. Pulsar can't be a poor mans car, have you seen the fuel consumption figures? :O
03 February 2003, 04:13 PM
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The only respect i want when i have my pulsar is that people are careful when opening their car doors and im parked next to them, they dont nick stuff out of it or nick the car - which i think everyone would agree with!!
If people, like you, dont like Pulsars, fair enough - its hardly going to put me off driving a perfect beast of a car because a mere lifeform doesnt like it because its 'crap'.
If people, like you, dont like Pulsars, fair enough - its hardly going to put me off driving a perfect beast of a car because a mere lifeform doesnt like it because its 'crap'.
03 February 2003, 04:15 PM
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Standard for standard though, a UK spec turbo is a better car than the Pulsar or the Sunny GTiR, simple
Modified, the UK turbo is a more tunable car as it has been proven as it doesnt need the rebuild as early as a GTiR but that doesnt make the GTiR a bad car, just not as good as the competition....
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Modified, the UK turbo is a more tunable car as it has been proven
as it doesnt need the rebuild as early as a GTiR but that doesnt make the GTiR a bad car, just not as good as the competition.... Tony
03 February 2003, 04:35 PM
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realistically if all you pulsar owners are honest, you will know you've got a cheap version of a scooby
As for attention at meets.... think you'll find that the pulsar might get more because the scooby fans will be too busy trying to decide which of the 18 million scoobs to go look at. Scoobs are too common... the Pulsar is still a rare beast.
03 February 2003, 04:38 PM
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The engine problems on a Pulsar are rare these days(most owners have learnt what and what not to do)and is less likely to need a rebuild on say 300bhp than a Scooby.I hear of lots of Scoobys needing rebuilds even on standard power(esp the JDM ones).You could offset this against the Pulsars weak gearbox(drivetrain isn't that weak in comparison)which eventually dies if you're a regular at the Pod.
I don't drive mine to get respect(good job really)and you can see it in any female over about 16 eyes that they aren't particularly impressed but that's not why I bought it.
As for being a poor mans Scooby-just have a read of the GTiR forum and see how much the owners lavish on their cars,it's hardly pocket money.Just because they are cheaper to buy is a bonus and not a downside.For what I've spent on mine I could have an Evo V or late Sti import.Also,how can something that was manufactured before the Impreza be an imitation?
I don't drive mine to get respect(good job really)and you can see it in any female over about 16 eyes that they aren't particularly impressed but that's not why I bought it.
As for being a poor mans Scooby-just have a read of the GTiR forum and see how much the owners lavish on their cars,it's hardly pocket money.Just because they are cheaper to buy is a bonus and not a downside.For what I've spent on mine I could have an Evo V or late Sti import.Also,how can something that was manufactured before the Impreza be an imitation?
03 February 2003, 04:41 PM
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Scooby Si-keep your eye out for a black L reg near the courthouse in Mansfield.I know he'll be up for it if you want a comparison.It's running about 0.9bar and 265bhp but has standard suspension.
03 February 2003, 04:45 PM
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scooby is an over priced version of a pulsar hey, next thing i will hear is that a skyline is an over priced version of a scooby.... mate its just a better car, thats why its priced more...
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Andrew, I'm guessing that reliability of stock internals are probably not that different. If you do full bore standing starts in a Scooby, the clutch will be stressed - plenty of people on here have had to replace gearboxes too so they are not bullet proof.
I didn't realise the standard power of the GTiRs was (only
) 230bhp as most seem to be quoted for sale at 260 - 280bhp (I always thought they were equivalent to a WRX import of the time).
So it sounds like they can be tuned just as easily.
Like most high powered cars, when they become affordable to different poeple the image changes. I used to think of scoobies as the performance car for the middle ages - when they were first released at 20k they were out of reach for most. Now, only the insurance is a barrier to ownership. I bet if they had stopped making the Scooby (maybe they already have ) they would suffer from the same problem as some of the comments above imply...
I didn't realise the standard power of the GTiRs was (only
) 230bhp as most seem to be quoted for sale at 260 - 280bhp (I always thought they were equivalent to a WRX import of the time). So it sounds like they can be tuned just as easily.
Like most high powered cars, when they become affordable to different poeple the image changes. I used to think of scoobies as the performance car for the middle ages - when they were first released at 20k they were out of reach for most. Now, only the insurance is a barrier to ownership. I bet if they had stopped making the Scooby (maybe they already have
) they would suffer from the same problem as some of the comments above imply...
03 February 2003, 04:47 PM
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I felt insulted so he said come to the garage and try a VTS out
WTF how do they handle like that awesome for a small car
WTF how do they handle like that awesome for a small car
I hope it was the MKII VTS cause they handle even better than the MK1's I'd be very interested to drive my VTS again back to back with my scooby to see which is the best in the twisties. I think the scooby can outgrip and outhandle it now. It maybe doesn't feel it but a lot of that might be the 'bigger car' factor, i.e. hiding the speed through the corners.
A lot of peeps need to make the distinction between fun handling an useful handling. The scooby can be lots of fun on snow, ice and in the wet but for the most part is just grips and goes! The VTS and many other small FWD hatches can be a liability in those conditions but for the most part are great fun to chuck around with their chuck and hope handling.
The differene is this: Often I'd chuck the VTS into a corner and think 'oh ****, I've overcooked it' but somehow she'd dig deep and hold on. Anytime I've thought that in the scooby I actually have overcooked it (due to the usually higher speeds) and its then a battle to save my own *** as opposed to the car hanging on. It handles/grips well but you must respect it! Oh, and you must not drive right-handers on low fuel