Scoobys Vs Pulsars
03 February 2003, 10:35 AM
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Thats one of the reasons why i want the Pulsar - becos they are so rare in this country not many people know what the hell it is!! Everytime i go out in my mates Pulsar, it gets looks from EVERYONE, even OAPs gawp at it as it goes roaring down the street... and whats better is when they cant see through the windows and a female gets out the drivers seat .... just complete satisfaction of owning such a unique, fast-as-standard car!!
And a Cossie? Pah... if i wanted a rusty dustbin id buy one
And a Cossie? Pah... if i wanted a rusty dustbin id buy one
03 February 2003, 10:37 AM
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Ahh, the old V's argument rears its head once again!
To be honest the fact the GTIR is mentioned in the same sentence as scoobys, Cossies etc gets my juices flowing.
I have a 300bhp Pulsar, with forged pistons, AP clutches etc and yes it has had its problems.
The fact these cars are getting into the hands of people who cannot afford to run them is the main reason they have a bad reputation, bleed valves upping the boost to an unregulated 1+bar and, lack of servicing, huge fuel bills (20mpg is not uncommon), and lack of knowledge and massive insurance costs mean at the end of the day the car suffers as the owner cannot afford to run it.
Scoobys on the other hand have been imported into the UK for a lot longer and there are many examples on the road (which is why I went for a Pulsar) so there are more tuning company’s, a bigger following (so more members cars available and help availabe) and most of the Scoobs on the road are newer than the R's.
Don’t forget that the R is based on late 80's/early 90's technology, and was not improved upon throughout the life of the pulsar (which is testament to the quality and advanced design of the little Nissan) whereas the Scooby has been improved over the years with numerous models scattered around in the process (P1, yum!) , so I would be surprised if the Pulsar handled better and was more reliable, but in some cases it is.
I think the image of the Pulsar will improve, as mentioned earlier the GTIROC has grown massively with the new forum, and this will mean if any future owners come along we will help and hopefully they will come away with a previously loved car.
Long live Scooby, and Pulsar.
To be honest the fact the GTIR is mentioned in the same sentence as scoobys, Cossies etc gets my juices flowing.
I have a 300bhp Pulsar, with forged pistons, AP clutches etc and yes it has had its problems.
The fact these cars are getting into the hands of people who cannot afford to run them is the main reason they have a bad reputation, bleed valves upping the boost to an unregulated 1+bar and, lack of servicing, huge fuel bills (20mpg is not uncommon), and lack of knowledge and massive insurance costs mean at the end of the day the car suffers as the owner cannot afford to run it.
Scoobys on the other hand have been imported into the UK for a lot longer and there are many examples on the road (which is why I went for a Pulsar) so there are more tuning company’s, a bigger following (so more members cars available and help availabe) and most of the Scoobs on the road are newer than the R's.
Don’t forget that the R is based on late 80's/early 90's technology, and was not improved upon throughout the life of the pulsar (which is testament to the quality and advanced design of the little Nissan) whereas the Scooby has been improved over the years with numerous models scattered around in the process (P1, yum!) , so I would be surprised if the Pulsar handled better and was more reliable, but in some cases it is.
I think the image of the Pulsar will improve, as mentioned earlier the GTIROC has grown massively with the new forum, and this will mean if any future owners come along we will help and hopefully they will come away with a previously loved car.
Long live Scooby, and Pulsar.
03 February 2003, 10:39 AM
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I don't think there is any point trying to persuade the girl to get a scoob. To me it is clear she has her heart set on a Pulsar which by all account is a good car and for the cash, very powerful.
If it was me I would buy the scoob purely because they are more common. This means more 2nd hand spare parts, more people who will be able to work on the car and more likely a greater collective knowledge for when you get the occasional problem. I think these are all points to be considered when buying an older car where it is likely that things will wear out/ go wrong.
If it was me I would buy the scoob purely because they are more common. This means more 2nd hand spare parts, more people who will be able to work on the car and more likely a greater collective knowledge for when you get the occasional problem. I think these are all points to be considered when buying an older car where it is likely that things will wear out/ go wrong.
03 February 2003, 11:11 AM
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Lisa next time bill has a pulsar in ill get u to come down and ill take u out in my scooby and a pulsar and see what u prefer. Personally i think the pulsars look a bit like breeze blocks with a big rear wing, but they do go alright and handle pretty well too, then again the sound the scooby makes is something you will never match and the performance seems pretty similar between them
03 February 2003, 11:17 AM
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Oooh hello simon!
As i say ive already driven a pulsar on a dead industrial estate and thats just driving not completely ragging it about as im not insured to drive another car apart from the one i currently own.
Ive got a year or so to decide but yeah as someone has already stated, ive got my heart set on a pulsar and when i get fed up with the little rally style car, ill get a P1 - cant be having too many doors now can i
As i say ive already driven a pulsar on a dead industrial estate and thats just driving not completely ragging it about as im not insured to drive another car apart from the one i currently own.
Ive got a year or so to decide but yeah as someone has already stated, ive got my heart set on a pulsar and when i get fed up with the little rally style car, ill get a P1 - cant be having too many doors now can i
03 February 2003, 11:21 AM
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There is only one answer for you. You will mainly get biased opinions from people depending on what they personally prefer. The best advice is from the guy who has one of each.
You will have to bite the bullet and make up your own mind. No one can really tell you which of the two you personally will like best.It is your decision in the end.
Leslie
You will have to bite the bullet and make up your own mind. No one can really tell you which of the two you personally will like best.It is your decision in the end.
Leslie
03 February 2003, 11:26 AM
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i am also a pulsar fan they do seem to be alot cheaper to buy and seem to come with more bhp as standard as the entry level jap wrx scooby!
I do think the looks of a pulsar are an aquired taste although less cheese boys with there novas will know what it is and you can surpise alot of people fast and furious style.
I myself like the pulsar, Get yourself a front mounted cooler and a beefed up chip and your well on your way
I do think the looks of a pulsar are an aquired taste although less cheese boys with there novas will know what it is and you can surpise alot of people fast and furious style.
I myself like the pulsar, Get yourself a front mounted cooler and a beefed up chip and your well on your way
03 February 2003, 11:47 AM
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Just read the fact that, you can run a bar of boost in a pulsar bout 300 bhp if its set right???
I'll tell you a little story.....
A close friend boght a GTIR and it was a total animal..... Off the scale of anything id ever been in. It was amazing, so i set ot to save for my GTIR, sad i know but they are top motors....
Or are they....
Two months, gear box blows apart...... £1000 second hand...
year of ownership....... engine gos pop!!!!!!!!!
another £1200
Most recent, gear box blown up again........
Get this, its totaly standard when the second box blew.....
There a joke, sorry and all but, never buy one....
This is why i bought a MY97 turbo estate....
Costs a forune as im only 23, but i love it. Always buying subs from now on
I'll tell you a little story.....
A close friend boght a GTIR and it was a total animal..... Off the scale of anything id ever been in. It was amazing, so i set ot to save for my GTIR, sad i know but they are top motors....
Or are they....
Two months, gear box blows apart...... £1000 second hand...
year of ownership....... engine gos pop!!!!!!!!!
another £1200
Most recent, gear box blown up again........
Get this, its totaly standard when the second box blew.....
There a joke, sorry and all but, never buy one....
This is why i bought a MY97 turbo estate....
Costs a forune as im only 23, but i love it. Always buying subs from now on
03 February 2003, 12:13 PM
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not made up mate just offering advice, you know first hand experience and all..........
Up to her at the end of the day aint it......
Take it your backs up because u have one.....
Up to her at the end of the day aint it......
Take it your backs up because u have one.....
03 February 2003, 12:44 PM
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Hi Lisa,
You should check some of the other forums to see what you’ve started with this thread! Having driven a brand new Scooby STi and owning a Pulsar, I do still prefer my GTi-R. The Scooby was quicker, but then with 35Bhp more and a 6 speed box, I’d expect it to be. It also had some nice toys like the intercooler water spray, daft shift warning on the rev counter, and the insides of the Scooby are a hell of a lot more refined.
I’ve only ever owned this one Pulsar, and for ages been confused with all these stories of dodgy handling. Mine sticks to the road amazingly, but I’ve since found that it has a small fortune of suspension kit on it. With the Scooby, the back felt too light when pushed around hard uneven corners, the same ones my Pulsar handles with ease. But the brakes on the Scooby were very good. My Pulsar brakes just are too small for the power of the car.
I’ve had no trouble getting hold of parts I’ve wanted for my Pulsar. After all the body is just a Sunny GTi shell and the engine just a SR20 DET. Makes for a lot of cheap parts from scrappies. Maybe I should let you drive my MR2 when it’s rebuilt so you can want one of those too!
You should check some of the other forums to see what you’ve started with this thread! Having driven a brand new Scooby STi and owning a Pulsar, I do still prefer my GTi-R. The Scooby was quicker, but then with 35Bhp more and a 6 speed box, I’d expect it to be. It also had some nice toys like the intercooler water spray, daft shift warning on the rev counter, and the insides of the Scooby are a hell of a lot more refined.
I’ve only ever owned this one Pulsar, and for ages been confused with all these stories of dodgy handling. Mine sticks to the road amazingly, but I’ve since found that it has a small fortune of suspension kit on it. With the Scooby, the back felt too light when pushed around hard uneven corners, the same ones my Pulsar handles with ease. But the brakes on the Scooby were very good. My Pulsar brakes just are too small for the power of the car.
I’ve had no trouble getting hold of parts I’ve wanted for my Pulsar. After all the body is just a Sunny GTi shell and the engine just a SR20 DET. Makes for a lot of cheap parts from scrappies. Maybe I should let you drive my MR2 when it’s rebuilt so you can want one of those too!
03 February 2003, 12:50 PM
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To be honest the fact the GTIR is mentioned in the same sentence as scoobys, Cossies etc gets my juices flowing
It seems to me though that the poster has made her mind up. Not sure of the point of the post therefore but hey, that's life. Hope you get a good pulsar and enjoy many motoring miles
<bring new FLAME SHIELDS on line> - ha, ha, get through that
03 February 2003, 12:59 PM
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LOL another X v Y thread cross posted onto other BB. I bet everyone on the GTiR loves us 
and thinks scoob owners are up themselves, drive crap cars . Sad really that a decent discussion cant be had.
All X v Y threads should have a warning attached as it usual starts off well and distingrates into a straight slanging match.
If you want a pulsar you dont need mine or anyone elses permission to go and buy one. I tend to drive cars and make my own mind up. If you dont like the scoob fair enough I cant understand that there are pros and cons to any car. I looked seriously at an EVO 7 and didnt like it but plenty of people wish to own one (just not me).
and thinks scoob owners are up themselves, drive crap cars . Sad really that a decent discussion cant be had.All X v Y threads should have a warning attached as it usual starts off well and distingrates into a straight slanging match.
If you want a pulsar you dont need mine or anyone elses permission to go and buy one
. I tend to drive cars and make my own mind up. If you dont like the scoob fair enough I cant understand that there are pros and cons to any car. I looked seriously at an EVO 7 and didnt like it but plenty of people wish to own one (just not me).
03 February 2003, 01:18 PM
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Which is why I haven't commented till now despite taking interest in this thread. In my very humble opinion (IMVHO) the pulsar isn't really compariable to a scooby. They are IMVHO the cheaper option, i.e. I'd have a £6k pulsar over a £6k scooby cause frankly I wouldn't trust a scooby at that price.
03 February 2003, 01:38 PM
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If u remember, i didnt post the original post... :P
I was just curious about WHY i should buy a Scooby over a Pulsar as ive heard pros and cons about both, mainly the Pulsar tho.
I thought id get some expert knowledge from you lot and some of you have helped me
Oh and *waves* hello ben!!
I was just curious about WHY i should buy a Scooby over a Pulsar as ive heard pros and cons about both, mainly the Pulsar tho.
I thought id get some expert knowledge from you lot and some of you have helped me
Oh and *waves* hello ben!!
03 February 2003, 01:41 PM
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Use scoobynets search facility and the FAQ to do your homework. Do the same on a pulsar bbs and then drive a couple of examples of both cars. Then make your mind up
03 February 2003, 01:47 PM
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I used to fancy a scoob when Colin McRae was driving back in 95, and over the years they became even more popular and so my interest waned to a point of thinking they looked common (Common = naff in my book).
Since then I bought a gtir and my mate a sti5.
We banter each other to death about the relative dismerits of each car. Its true to say that owners of different marques get rose tinted spectacles on when talking about their own car.
His/our main arguement is, "why buy a 10 year old gtir for £6kish and spend £X,000 making it perform as good as Sccob when you could spend £15ish for a recent sti thats nearly new and does everything you want already?"
He loves the looks of his scoob, I hate the looks and vice versa
My car squeaks, his doesn't its lovely inside.
We're fairly even round the twisties and straights. The twisties not due to handling but because "I'm far more willing to roll a £6k car than he is his" frame of mind
There are tuning mods gearboxes/clutches/brakes/suspension+handling kits available that will bring on a par and go beyond mods available for scoobs.
But the clincher, is fuel starvation on No3 cylinder is not an issue for gtirs and so getting big power is far cheaper in the long run... this is important for me.
Since then I bought a gtir and my mate a sti5.
We banter each other to death about the relative dismerits of each car. Its true to say that owners of different marques get rose tinted spectacles on when talking about their own car.
His/our main arguement is, "why buy a 10 year old gtir for £6kish and spend £X,000 making it perform as good as Sccob when you could spend £15ish for a recent sti thats nearly new and does everything you want already?"
He loves the looks of his scoob, I hate the looks and vice versa
My car squeaks, his doesn't its lovely inside.
We're fairly even round the twisties and straights. The twisties not due to handling but because "I'm far more willing to roll a £6k car than he is his" frame of mind
There are tuning mods gearboxes/clutches/brakes/suspension+handling kits available that will bring on a par and go beyond mods available for scoobs.
But the clincher, is fuel starvation on No3 cylinder is not an issue for gtirs and so getting big power is far cheaper in the long run... this is important for me.
03 February 2003, 01:54 PM
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Saxo Boy - yeah i suppose i can do that aswell but id rather find out what the actual drivers of the car think, what problems theyve had, how much stuff costs n that as its more guaranteed to be more reliable than some write-up in a mag or something
03 February 2003, 02:07 PM
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no, I love every second of an amazing 0-60 check my thread I owned
a wrx nice family type car, so are cavalier turbos, but pulsars
are brutes when chipped so like I said horses for courses (also owned Lotus Esprit Turbo) so its not about money or what goes wrong
just saying in 1990 pulsars were doing what scoobs are now, they are still your equal, sorry my friend
a wrx nice family type car, so are cavalier turbos, but pulsars
are brutes when chipped so like I said horses for courses (also owned Lotus Esprit Turbo) so its not about money or what goes wrong
just saying in 1990 pulsars were doing what scoobs are now, they are still your equal, sorry my friend
03 February 2003, 02:07 PM
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Ok Here goes:
I switched from a Saxo VTS in the summer to the scooby and initally thought I'd made a big mistake! The scooby understeered a lot and didn't seem to pull as well in a straight-line as I'd hoped. Some careful modification sorted this out and now the car is less likely to understeer and can achieve power oversteer in certain conditions. Straight-line she pulls hard from 2500rpm to the redline and has a very agressive (hence 'feels' fast) burst of acceleration caused by the dawes.
The Saxo was argueably more fun as you can get the backend loose at lower speeds and chuck it around more willingly but the scooby has it totally liked for performance now! It can deliver staggering performance when I drive it correctly but its defo not as easy to master as a little hot-hatch.
Mines has been relatively trouble free but the running costs are pretty scary
I can't think of another car in my price range that I'd rather have. Also, the sound is to die for, they are so 
Some say the Impreza has a boy-racer image! It doesn't....well..not yet but its getting close. The pulsar is well and truely there. Another consideration?
Here goes:I switched from a Saxo VTS in the summer to the scooby and initally thought I'd made a big mistake! The scooby understeered a lot and didn't seem to pull as well in a straight-line as I'd hoped. Some careful modification sorted this out and now the car is less likely to understeer and can achieve power oversteer in certain conditions. Straight-line she pulls hard from 2500rpm to the redline and has a very agressive (hence 'feels' fast) burst of acceleration caused by the dawes.
The Saxo was argueably more fun as you can get the backend loose at lower speeds and chuck it around more willingly but the scooby has it totally liked for performance now! It can deliver staggering performance when I drive it correctly but its defo not as easy to master as a little hot-hatch.
Mines has been relatively trouble free but the running costs are pretty scary
I can't think of another car in my price range that I'd rather have. Also, the sound is to die for, they are so Some say the Impreza has a boy-racer image! It doesn't....well..not yet but its getting close. The pulsar is well and truely there. Another consideration?