Very good Lee.
Wel I guess the insurance bit will firk it for me but I reckon you should have charged £195 to start with and oerhaps worked on a little advertising rather than just word of mouth.
Leaving it a little late now isnt it but it would have been possible otherwise other organisors wouldnt do it. The BMW car club only had about 20 cars there last time so how do you work that one out????
Charge more thats a start.
I`d pay it for that venue and I`m sure if you put it to vote others would too.

 

Lee I`m not just mocking mate believe me I have organised stuff before but if you had posted that you needed more cars it would have filled up.
40 ish cars at £195.
I reckon is well achievable.
My spelling on the other hand is not
Reckon you should have given it a little more time and co-hosted it with the RS boys if you needed too.

 

Could this lack of numbers be down to cost? On top of the trackday cost you now need seperate insurance as most insurance companies will not touch trackdays with a barge pole!
Getting on the back of the club will do nothing but shut it down.
I organised a karting event that had a handful of people interested.If I had paid the £400 deposit I would have been massively out of pocket.
We do these things on a voluntary basis,if you think you can do better go ahead.
Cheers Paul

 

I would imagine that the members of the ferrari owners club wouldn't give two hoots if they had to pay £500. When you have subaru owners complaining about the extra burden of VAT costs on £25 yearly membership it puts things into perspective.

 

What a shame its come to this. Bedford, the best track to have some 'fun' and not enough people want to go. Has the SIDC as a whole (membership, not commitee) moved away from the whole "trackday" thing.

 

Lee if I paid you £25 what would I get???
Listen at a place like Bedford you dont need insurance.
I wont bother.
Theres nothing to hit.
Get on the Skyline BBS and post it there, the RS boys and the Evo lads and I reckon you would crack it in no time.

 

Sussed it

2 places for £4k each

Jesus that was easy

Anybody want to send me a cheque

 

What do you reckon David.
Its well possible.
Its a great place as you say.
Everone should try it out.

 

Phil I guess with your attitude you`ll never do another track day.
Perhaps the track day section of your club should be run by people who are a little keener.
I think we are all wasting our time.
Oh well will just have to stick to BMW days. They dont seem to struggle and moan.
Always a very good standard of driving too.
I guess its the SIDC that will loose out.
I wont bother again thats for sure and with the attitude you guys seem to have I would advise everyone to join the BMW club.
Good luck SIDC..your gonna need it.

 

Birdy, if I still had my Subaru (or any other capable track car for that matter) I'd sign-up. But I don't think my Saab 9-3 Convertible could cut the mustard.

 

Sorry was that a dummy that just got spat out

I wanted to go

I tried to help

I have spent a good 50 hours of my unpaid time dealing with the finacial affairs of the club

I was at the AGM willing to listen to any ideas coments

I see what the long term committee members do [again unpaid]

and I have an attitude

I for one would love to have an easy resolution but you have critised then offered to take it on then within an hour decided not to

Thats the problem

 

I've been involved in organising car events before. Its always the same old story.

A few people have an idea. They announce the idea to the club members. Everyone says "Great", "Fan-dabby-dozy", "Yes, I'll come". Ask for payment in full, or even partial payment and then...........................









Nothing....

Zilch...

Nowt...

Big Fat Zero...

apart from a minority without whom the club would die.


I'm with Lee, Lisa and the SIDC committee on this one. You can't gamble with someone elses money unless it is proven to break even or ideally make a profit to put back into the club.

If anyone has bright ideas who can back it up with the determination to see it go through, putting in the hours for very little thanks, then I suggest you make yourselves known to the SIDC committee...

There is more than organising a track day than getting 50 promises...

 

Anyone who argues the case of 'Subarus' only is talking utter bollox. Do you have any idea what's going on in the world around you? According to Pete Croney, last 3 trackdays have been running at a loss. Take a clue, Sherlock, as to why? Priority to Subaru's only? LMAO, you clueless fools can't even get 20 of you together for a trackday. You then go bl33ting your views on Scoobynet about keeping the days Subaru only! Where were your views yesterday??

I have this to say though. 2000 members in SIDC (alledgedly). 20 people turn up to the AGM. Absolutely F****** Disgusting!

I have absolutely no problem with the way the SIDC is run, the board members are doing the best they can, voluntarily. What little benefits they get is deserved, to be honest. But I hope they listen to suggestion.

Cem

 

Cem

As you stated yesterday the way forward is to have joint days now that exclusive marque events have been dropped by tracks so can the SIDC

Bedford WAS opened to all and STILL only sold 20 odd places

But lets be positive Chris has some good ideas and good connections

Nice to meet you btw

and finally what benefits do we get ?

Phil

 

Phil,
Nice to have met you too.
As to any benefits, like I said, I don't care in the slightest.

Cem

 

i would have attended sunday as an SIDC member interested in this aspect of the club, i was busy running a GroupA rally car in the Premier Rally though, so it wasnt possible.

I think one of the main points of all this is being missed completely by Phil and Lee.

NO ONE knew there was a problem about numbers. EVERYONE thought it was the complete oposite.

I was 100% going to attend this day, but because there was talk of how the day was filling up nicely, i saw no urgency to book now, i put my priorities to getting the rally car out on 3 consecutive weekends and put everything else to be sorted at a later date.

If you would have said something about the numbers being short, you would have my money now!

the SIDC need to kill this image of their track days being Subaru only, or Subaru first, everyone else has to wait. The reality of the situation is that people will not put themselves on a waiting list hoping to get a run at a track day, so you wont get people with non Subaru's paying money up front. This was my position last year when running the westie and i am not alone. All the people that were moaning about not getting an entry have disapeared, just like they were bound too, because these moaners are all mouth, as they always are. They are a very negative force because they take focus away from people who actually get off their *** and book up events when they become available and if they miss the boat, shame but move on to the next one. The moaners are full of ****, always have been and always will be.

Please kill the concept of Subaru's first, otherwise you will always struggle to get the numbers, which will be a damn shame as the SIDC days were always great. The world has changed in the last 12 months big time, you may have got away with this phylosophy for a few months, but not now, economics dont allow it.

Finally, Lisa, very sorry to hear you are getting crap mails, you dont deserve that, you have always done a great job for the club and I for one apreciate it!

 

Maybe the new Subaru buyer is more concerenced with polishing, traffic light grand prixs and cruising?

If they are a little younger maybe they cannot afford it?

 

I am a SIDC member (have been for years) drive a GTR 33 now but still do the track days with the club. My question is why has Chris not let the track day be advertised on other marques boards before pulling the plug!.

Surely it would only take a day to see if there is enough responce, the Skyline gang might get 10 or so cars together for the day, same with the MLR and others, I feel the Bedford day was just let slip without an attempt to properly salvage it!

..........Ian

 

GO Cem

I would love to do bedford, but let my membership lapse as the club didn't want other cars doing track days, especially one that are faster than the "MIGHTY SUBARU".......

20 people at the AGM is well funny, there must have been 100 last year, most saying subaru only on track days.....where are they now.



Bookatrack here we come

 

Dingy thats not really the idea, the SIDC are/were the infrastructure of firstly Subaru owners and now ex owners, they were basically the entertainments managers and had a good following at their events. What the issue is now is where does it go from hear!

Yes 20 people at an AGM is very bad (if it hadn't been for the storm it would have been 21) and I would have been another non Subaru owner in attendance out of that small number. So that may show a change in attitude with new owners, that they are everyday drivers and not as social as we were a few years back. trends change!

Jumping ship isn't the answer but may be teaming up with other car clubs when coming to arrange track days is. The joint clubs advertise an equal allocation of the event each, if one sells out and another club is struggling then the balance is offered to the other clubs! Its not hard and in my view Bedford would still be on and nearer full than half full!

..Ian

 

Ian, it really makes no difference to me, as I have decided that after being told i was never allowed to do track days in my escort that the club wasn't worth the money for the membership as it offered nothing for me.

But i really did enjoy the track days i did with the SIDC, some of the best i have done, but it looks like its all gone a bit down the pan...

I really Hope Chris can turn this around, as its a shame that they need to be cancelled.

 

This just stinks of bad management, sorry if you don't like it but it does.

1) We were told that Bedford was filling up nicely but now it's been canned due to lack of numbers eh? wtf is all that about? As Neanderthal posted earlier, why not post "BEDFORD In DANGER OF BEING CANNED, MORE PEOPLE NEEDED!"

2) Why have 2 track days organised for the same day? No wonder SIDC can't get the numbers.

And don't give me why weren't you at the AGM and why donn't you volunteer bollox.

If you choose to volunteer for these things and you F*CK UP then you should expect to be criticied for it.

If you have a VALID arguement for the 2 points above then I'd love to hear them.

Mike

 

Just my 2pth

After purchasing my Impreza in January 2000 and joining the SIDC I attended most of the trackdays available up until I became unemployed 12 months ago. Funds just don’t allow me to attend anymore. I know that certain others are unable to attend due to the same unfortunate circumstances, Puff for example. Now I’m sure we would both be at the front of the queue should circumstances change but for the foreseeable future this is unlikely. There must be other members out there in the same boat. We’re not all ‘mouth and no trousers’.

I for one didn’t object to other cars being allowed on track, I quite enjoyed toying with the odd Westie, Elise and a certain Scort that used to attend. However on one occasion I did object, not to the SIDC but publicly on here, but that was because I felt a little sore that I hadn’t been able to get a place at Donno as it was fully booked. I had contacted the SIDC as soon as I was aware that it was being run but told I was too late, it was fully booked. When I turned up to spectate approximately ½ of the runners were non Subaru.

Yes the clubs membership has grown but as someone previously suggested, a lot of these are of the show and shine or traffic light GP brigade which is a shame but also inevitable. It would be nice to think that we all buy the car because of its performance and exploit it where we can safely do so but unfortunately this is not so.

Yes it was cr@p having Oulton and Bedford running on the same day and Chris didn’t play it very well telling everyone that places were filling fast, I see what you were trying to achieve Chris but it just didn’t work. As John stated, don’t bull5hit us, let us know how things stand. As regard to helping out the SIDC, I offered to give Stef a hand with the organisation of these events on two occasions last year but I was never taken up on the offer.

IM don’t help matters (as usual) with their spying tactics

And lastly Insurance companies don’t help, look at Eggars (guys, nothing personal) latest policy for example, they will not cover a car running on slicks. FFS these days are expensive enough as it is without the need to weigh out for a new set of rubber after every trackday. Quite a few of us purchased cheap wheels and some 2nd hand slicks to save this expense if we were to abide by their ruling these are now surplus to requirements. Personally insurance for me isn’t an issue as I’ve an old car but some on here want £20k+ cover and have to pay through the nose to get it. Some policies used to let you get away with the ‘driving development’ slant but more recently this has changed with most policies stating that the car ‘must not be used on any motorsport circuit’.

 

Agree with quite a few posts....

But and this has probably been mentioned already - the day was open to all cars. Err HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Nice that we all knew that rather than a comment within someones post.

Is that where some of the problems lie? SIDC comittee members decide somethnig between someselves but none of the members know about it - until they get true grip the following month?

If something has decided can't it be posted on SIDC BBS (last thing there was end of september about AGM) and a link posted here? At least we'd know about it.

And - if the case IS that all cars are welcome on SIDC trackdays, shouldn't somethnig be posted on the other BBSs? I'm sure that people like Mike Rainbird and Bruce Read would love to attend again?

The SIDC BBS could be used as a fairly powerful voting tool - if something is to be changed at least let everyone know, rather than telling them when the comittee decides........that's the point of a club isn't it? members votes?

 

Craig
Yes you are missing something

At the AGM ,yes I did go, It was disscussed and agreed that now Track Owners have been forced to relax there single make policy then so can the club

I know its been said before but if you had been there blah blah blah

I can't remember it being disscussed in secret ,unless you consider the AGM a secret meeting.

Ronan

 

RB170

Hide behind a screen without an email address and critise

You do better all committee members would have gladly stepped down and let SOMEONE BETTER take over

Were there any offers

In your own words F**K all

I now understand why the committee get so frustrated

Damned if you do Damned if you don't

Phil

 

I'll give you my email address it's mikej.griffiths@ntlworld.com, I'll also give you my mobi number it's 07******* (thanks to everyone who called tha scam number I would like to name my new 20 million quid boat after you "Gullable")

Do you want my address ?

If you can't accept that you F*ucked up then why are you doing that job maybe you should be a politician me on the other hand, I'm joining the diplomatic corp.

I'm not hiding I wouldn't sign up fot it because A I'm not that interested in it and B I have no time for it.

Thats why I only do things I know I can commit to and be good at and if I f*ck up at least I have the ***** to admit it.

And the 2 points I mentioned still haven't been answered.

Mike (that's my real name by the way)



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[Edited by RB170 - 10/29/2002 1:21:44 PM]

 

Mike made two very valid points and no one has bothered to answer; other than slagging off his anonymity, which he has now identified himself are you going to answer his questions? or slag him off again for not posting a picture of himself?

 

RB170, I don't think posting your moby number here is wise. You've proved your point, why not edit it out?

 

Cause he dont give a **** and is not scared to stand up for what he believes?