This is y scoobys r so slow
22 September 2002, 07:52 PM
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Wolfie: I know the spec of the MiniWilliams one, ta. Someone else on here mentioned that they had a Mini with 'nearly 200bhp', I'd just like to hear the spec, to see if it ties in with the claimed power output.
Rich
PS - I've just remembered the best thing about Novas; the faces of the Nova driver in your rear view mirror when they get beat by a Mini ( OK, so generally they're 1.2s or below, but fun still the same )
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PS - I've just remembered the best thing about Novas; the faces of the Nova driver in your rear view mirror when they get beat by a Mini
( OK, so generally they're 1.2s or below, but fun still the same )
22 September 2002, 08:18 PM
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Just read this thread, very entertaining
I always try to avoid the wind ups, although it looks like the main protaganists have given up now, it is difficult not to have a pop
It is funny when someone tunes their shed to an inch of its' life, beats a standard uk scoob in a straight line and then labels it "scooby slayer" etc.
There are some flamebaiting scooby owners as well, but don't feel embarrassed by them, in a community of 15,000 there are bound to be a few stirrers! If you check evo, cossie, scoob, even nova owners, most of them will be genuine car enthusiasts, only a small (vocal) minority will be blinkered not to see the value in other marques.
Incidentally, "properly" designed front wheel drive cars can (nearly) eliminate torque steer. I had a Lancia Thema 16v turbo before my scoob, with 236 lb ft of torque on offer (as standard!!!) through the front wheels, it had less torque steer than the Cavalier SRi I had before, which had half the torque output. Why? Because Lancia know how to build a suspension, and they gave it equal length driveshafts which sorts most of the problem. Just a shame about the electrics really
I always try to avoid the wind ups, although it looks like the main protaganists have given up now, it is difficult not to have a pop
It is funny when someone tunes their shed to an inch of its' life, beats a standard uk scoob in a straight line and then labels it "scooby slayer" etc.
There are some flamebaiting scooby owners as well, but don't feel embarrassed by them, in a community of 15,000 there are bound to be a few stirrers! If you check evo, cossie, scoob, even nova owners, most of them will be genuine car enthusiasts, only a small (vocal) minority will be blinkered not to see the value in other marques.
Incidentally, "properly" designed front wheel drive cars can (nearly) eliminate torque steer. I had a Lancia Thema 16v turbo before my scoob, with 236 lb ft of torque on offer (as standard!!!) through the front wheels, it had less torque steer than the Cavalier SRi I had before, which had half the torque output. Why? Because Lancia know how to build a suspension, and they gave it equal length driveshafts which sorts most of the problem. Just a shame about the electrics really
22 September 2002, 08:53 PM
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Rich and mini,
I posted the spec of my mini turbo a while back either on this thread or the scooby vs cossie thread (can't remember which), more than happy to email to you or post again.
NOS Nova, quicket FWD car I have ever seen is Andy's Maestro that won the TOTB FWD class, his best time is a 12.29 1/4 mile, so your Nova has to be one of the fastest FWD cars in the country. As I said before, please post when you next plan to do a 1/4 mile, as I really want to see it go!
RichardPON, under WRC rules the suspension pickup, mounting points and basic layout must remain as per the road car, not 100% on this, but reading through some stuff on developement of rally cars, this is what they say, so the road scooby has the basic suspension layout of the rally cars. Struts and springs, well that's a different story, and no rose joints etc, but the basics are there.
I posted the spec of my mini turbo a while back either on this thread or the scooby vs cossie thread (can't remember which), more than happy to email to you or post again.
NOS Nova, quicket FWD car I have ever seen is Andy's Maestro that won the TOTB FWD class, his best time is a 12.29 1/4 mile, so your Nova has to be one of the fastest FWD cars in the country. As I said before, please post when you next plan to do a 1/4 mile, as I really want to see it go!
RichardPON, under WRC rules the suspension pickup, mounting points and basic layout must remain as per the road car, not 100% on this, but reading through some stuff on developement of rally cars, this is what they say, so the road scooby has the basic suspension layout of the rally cars. Struts and springs, well that's a different story, and no rose joints etc, but the basics are there.
22 September 2002, 08:58 PM
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The Performance Metro Group are readying an assualt on Scoobynet, there is a 1.0 HLE (1983) Running a Rolls Royce "Spey" engine , it does a quarter mile in 0.47 Seconds (Quicker with Afterburners)
It cost 2 quid to buy the car and the ex RAF engine was found in a skip, it cost only 8 quid to get the whole thing going, trouble is the rear radius arms are shagged and it failed the MOT.
Also there is an Austin Ambassador cruising south cheshire producing nearly 400 bhp, watch out for it.....
It cost 2 quid to buy the car and the ex RAF engine was found in a skip, it cost only 8 quid to get the whole thing going, trouble is the rear radius arms are shagged and it failed the MOT.
Also there is an Austin Ambassador cruising south cheshire producing nearly 400 bhp, watch out for it.....
22 September 2002, 09:44 PM
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22 September 2002, 10:45 PM
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unbelievable in arrogance and knowledge once more on here.
i really enjoyed the "do you know what a dump valve does" and then a quote from some bb, class
are any of you aware of the laws of physics? do you seriously think that dumping the pressure inbetween the turbo outlet and the throttle butterfly is going to reduce lag? dont be so fvcking stupid, do you not need to build this pressure back up again when you throttle down again? do you know how quickly a turbo slows down after you back off? do you know how quick it will spin up when you change gear and its within its boost range already? do you think it takes a longer or shorter period of time to spin up than it does to rebuild all the dumped pressure youve just wasted? do you understand why dump valves are needed on certain turebo's only? let me give you a clue , it has NOTHING to do with lag.
maybe you should go read some books better still actually go do some testing.
i eagerly await you "my car feels far less laggy now ive thrown my dump valve away, why?" that have been on the bbs's many times over.
maybe the wrc teams should combine a dump valve with their anti-lag systems, they'd have a spot on system then ROFL
you lot are a class act, proper class. i'll never forget one dik on here having to ask what forced induction meant PMSL almost as funny as the goon on here who thought he heard a recirculating dump valve in that vid LMAO
a wise choice, wise cos its same as mine 
i really enjoyed the "do you know what a dump valve does" and then a quote from some bb, class
It keeps the turbo compressor wheel spinning in between gear changes and eliminates the back pressure which is forced back onto the compreesor wheel, caused by the throttle which is found when not using a dump valve... This back pressure creates LAG
maybe you should go read some books better still actually go do some testing.
i eagerly await you "my car feels far less laggy now ive thrown my dump valve away, why?" that have been on the bbs's many times over.
maybe the wrc teams should combine a dump valve with their anti-lag systems, they'd have a spot on system then ROFL
you lot are a class act, proper class. i'll never forget one dik on here having to ask what forced induction meant PMSL almost as funny as the goon on here who thought he heard a recirculating dump valve in that vid LMAO
looking for a good 3dr cossie as its a performance icon and the original turbo nutters car for the masses
a wise choice, wise cos its same as mine
23 September 2002, 12:18 AM
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Id Guess that my mini has around 200bhp. Only been at Santa Pod twice, fully loaded with tools etc for the trip. 165/60x13 full road trim, including luggage and tools. 14.5 @ 101 mph. Still in 3rd crossing the line, with lots of wheelspin til 80mph.
Running a 3.1:1 diff, as anything else would give a pathetic top end. It will easily pullover 7000rpm in 4th, and I have hit the limiter at 7500rpm a few times. This should equate to just over 140mph.
It is also quicker ( not much though )than a standard Sti Type R, rolling start from 40-140. It doesnt go round corner as well however. It doesnt even handle the straights too well..And further to the general jist of this thread...Yes I too think my mini is ****, hence i very rarely drive it any more.
Now a 2.0 Nova that can do that is not impressive, a 1.3 mini however, is.
Running a 3.1:1 diff, as anything else would give a pathetic top end. It will easily pullover 7000rpm in 4th, and I have hit the limiter at 7500rpm a few times. This should equate to just over 140mph.
It is also quicker ( not much though )than a standard Sti Type R, rolling start from 40-140. It doesnt go round corner as well however. It doesnt even handle the straights too well..And further to the general jist of this thread...Yes I too think my mini is ****, hence i very rarely drive it any more.
Now a 2.0 Nova that can do that is not impressive, a 1.3 mini however, is.
23 September 2002, 12:24 AM
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Its actually not as bad as it sounds, but torque steer really is a problem. In fact, it is as bad as it sounds, hence why I dont drive it anymore....It used to be my only transport, and I drove it everday. Normal driving it is very good ( for a mini ) as even off boost, it is very torquey. On boost its dangerous ( 1.5 bar )
23 September 2002, 02:05 AM
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I wouldn't worry NOS Nova most of these clowns don't get the point. They think their rubbish UK turbo's are faster than my 440 brake cossie.*****. The truth is I also have a modded Vec GSi intake, plenum flowed lightened flywheel air intake around 215 - 220 brake and this is quicker in straight line than a standard buy eye too. Doesn't handle aswell though but its sure funny to see there faces. Still those bug eyed things are slow anyway.
Ignore Richard Pon he spouts utter cack specially about manifolds.
Doesn't Jon Shields Nova hold the UK quarter mile record for a FWD car. Say no more, laugh at people,s ignorance.
YES MY VECTRA GSi IS FASTER THAN A UK BUG EYE by bloody miles. Can't wait for the is it **** responses truth is it is. Dream on scooby owners.
LOL at naff scoob getting spanked by a cabrio good on the bloke who built the cabrio
LOL at the twisties comments the scoob owner's only retort, the only reason scoob owners are so touchy is that in chain of two litre turbo cars theres is at the bottom and most of em can't afford an evo and wouldn't have a clue what to do with a cossie as the power would scare there closeted little IT *****.
Ignore Richard Pon he spouts utter cack specially about manifolds.
Doesn't Jon Shields Nova hold the UK quarter mile record for a FWD car. Say no more, laugh at people,s ignorance.
YES MY VECTRA GSi IS FASTER THAN A UK BUG EYE by bloody miles. Can't wait for the is it **** responses truth is it is. Dream on scooby owners.
LOL at naff scoob getting spanked by a cabrio good on the bloke who built the cabrio
LOL at the twisties comments the scoob owner's only retort, the only reason scoob owners are so touchy is that in chain of two litre turbo cars theres is at the bottom and most of em can't afford an evo and wouldn't have a clue what to do with a cossie as the power would scare there closeted little IT *****.
23 September 2002, 08:04 AM
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Hey Cossie,
do you also have other things in your life? BTW whats a ''plenum flowed lightened flywheel air intake around 215''???
Don't you all take this whole car thing a little too serious here? It seems that you would be ready to cut one's head off just because of this ''my car better than yours'' issue....
Rivalry between car's should stay a'friendship-oriented one (like I'm used to) but, man, there's some hostility going on here...
I mean, serious now, I don't favour for Nos Nova, just by the way he comes on here (same for this lame video, ok, having a go at an Impreza but do it with style next time, ok Alex Zetec??), but now everybody slags him off, give him some credit after all his Corsa is faster than a standard Impreza and I find it interesting.
do you also have other things in your life? BTW whats a ''plenum flowed lightened flywheel air intake around 215''???
Don't you all take this whole car thing a little too serious here? It seems that you would be ready to cut one's head off just because of this ''my car better than yours'' issue....
Rivalry between car's should stay a'friendship-oriented one (like I'm used to) but, man, there's some hostility going on here...
I mean, serious now, I don't favour for Nos Nova, just by the way he comes on here (same for this lame video, ok, having a go at an Impreza but do it with style next time, ok Alex Zetec??), but now everybody slags him off, give him some credit after all his Corsa is faster than a standard Impreza and I find it interesting.
23 September 2002, 10:49 AM
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No not at all allberick I hope I got it right.
Seems like the scoob owners can't acknowledge any other vehicle on the road.
My point with my veccy is that with very light fettling £70 for flowed inlet manifold £220 for enlarged throttle body modification to air box free and a lighened flywheel £200 even this car is a match for a bug eye UK scoob in a straight line.
My attitude on this board is a direct mirror of the majority of scoob owners who have posted on this thread.
Is every other car a shed and at the end of the day what is the Impreza turbo if its not a max power version of a sport.
Get your heads out of your ***** specially utter ***** like SAXO BOY what a bellend in his 150bhp hotrod
Seems like the scoob owners can't acknowledge any other vehicle on the road.
My point with my veccy is that with very light fettling £70 for flowed inlet manifold £220 for enlarged throttle body modification to air box free and a lighened flywheel £200 even this car is a match for a bug eye UK scoob in a straight line.
My attitude on this board is a direct mirror of the majority of scoob owners who have posted on this thread.
Is every other car a shed and at the end of the day what is the Impreza turbo if its not a max power version of a sport.
Get your heads out of your ***** specially utter ***** like SAXO BOY what a bellend in his 150bhp hotrod
23 September 2002, 10:55 AM
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YAWN.....
so for exactly the same price that you have increased your power on a cr@p rep mobile you can have a full decat on a bugeye which will then outpace you....
Tony
so for exactly the same price that you have increased your power on a cr@p rep mobile you can have a full decat on a bugeye which will then outpace you....
Tony
23 September 2002, 11:57 AM
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Eh, 150bhp hotrod?? Try adding another 100bhp and your getting close. But, oh..........wait. Just 250bhp is namby-pamby stuff. I shouldn't consider driving anything with less than 600bhp cause that would be crazy!!!
I love cars, can't get enough of them and would love someone to take me for a spin in a tuned cossie, nova or whatever. I'll respect them for their efforts and no doubt enjoy a run in their car. I just get hostile to the people that have nothing better to do than come on hear and go on about how thier car wastes scoobys and scoobys suck and so on. So, what, it's not hard to tune any car to be faster than any other. Time and money is all that is required really.
I love cars, can't get enough of them and would love someone to take me for a spin in a tuned cossie, nova or whatever. I'll respect them for their efforts and no doubt enjoy a run in their car. I just get hostile to the people that have nothing better to do than come on hear and go on about how thier car wastes scoobys and scoobys suck and so on. So, what, it's not hard to tune any car to be faster than any other. Time and money is all that is required really.
23 September 2002, 12:40 PM
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Cossie,
You're such a ******* donkey. You say I spout c@ck about manifolds, when I was only passing on secondhand information that I believed to be correct.
Yet on three separate occasions, I've asked you genuine questions about your spec, and you've not been able to answer one of them. Do you just ignore the questions you cannot answer - that's really mature!
And the sad thing is, you're representative of cossie owners on this board simply by your username.
Simple thing is this mate. There are people on scoobynet and other boards across this country whose cars are quicker then your antiquated T4 8 injector cossie set up, and there are people who are far better drivers out there than you with far slower cars.
You have to accept that the cossie is an OLD OLD car now, that's hardly a competitor without throwing shedloads of money at it. A well set up scoob with decent power will roast loads of cossies round circuit - Shaggy's scooby being the perfect example.
True performance car enthusiasts, whilst they may be loyal to one particular marque, will be perfectly accepting of any car that shows true all round performance....it is clear that you are neither an enthusiast or accepting of any other car!
You're such a ******* donkey. You say I spout c@ck about manifolds, when I was only passing on secondhand information that I believed to be correct.
Yet on three separate occasions, I've asked you genuine questions about your spec, and you've not been able to answer one of them. Do you just ignore the questions you cannot answer - that's really mature!
And the sad thing is, you're representative of cossie owners on this board simply by your username.
Simple thing is this mate. There are people on scoobynet and other boards across this country whose cars are quicker then your antiquated T4 8 injector cossie set up, and there are people who are far better drivers out there than you with far slower cars.
You have to accept that the cossie is an OLD OLD car now, that's hardly a competitor without throwing shedloads of money at it. A well set up scoob with decent power will roast loads of cossies round circuit - Shaggy's scooby being the perfect example.
True performance car enthusiasts, whilst they may be loyal to one particular marque, will be perfectly accepting of any car that shows true all round performance....it is clear that you are neither an enthusiast or accepting of any other car!
23 September 2002, 01:01 PM
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Well, don't forget how all this started, some guy posted a video, sitting in his car (still I didn't get it what car it is can somebody tell me??) trying to overtake an Impreza, behaving like a 16-year old brat (sorry guy, if you feel offended, watch your video again and tell me how you feel if you cannot admit, then you are pretty far up your ****).
I don't think I'm up my **** also because I drive an Impreza, I actually neve imagined someone could be. The reasons why I drive one are different, but that's another story...
So, as far as I am concerned , everyone here is welcome to come here and show us how he gave an Impreza a hard time with his -inferior-if-standard-car, this should be respected, but please don't come on here and shout your bollox ''subaru is **** engineering'' ''jap crap'' (very offending regarding where this terms originates from, some ppl may forget or simply don't know) etc.....
After all Mitsubishi and Subaru build all those cars in memory of older rally legends be it the Audi Quattro, Lancia or Cosworths.
So, guys show some ''civilised'' manners, after all you never know who else reads this....
I don't think I'm up my **** also because I drive an Impreza, I actually neve imagined someone could be. The reasons why I drive one are different, but that's another story...
So, as far as I am concerned , everyone here is welcome to come here and show us how he gave an Impreza a hard time with his -inferior-if-standard-car, this should be respected, but please don't come on here and shout your bollox ''subaru is **** engineering'' ''jap crap'' (very offending regarding where this terms originates from, some ppl may forget or simply don't know) etc.....
After all Mitsubishi and Subaru build all those cars in memory of older rally legends be it the Audi Quattro, Lancia or Cosworths.
So, guys show some ''civilised'' manners, after all you never know who else reads this....
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Orig by: RichPON
Cheers Rich - that should go down well - I'll pass it on to Andy and tell him his car is no good then and that it's not worth repairing because it has an antiquated set-up ....hmmm right
antiquated T4 8 injector cossie set up
Cheers Rich - that should go down well - I'll pass it on to Andy and tell him his car is no good then and that it's not worth repairing because it has an antiquated set-up ....hmmm right
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Dump Valves, that debate could go on, maybe not as long as this already has though...
There are definitely 2 very different schools of thought on this, and I don't think there is a definitive answer for 100% of circumstances. A few of my mates with cossies have taken the DV off, and the car is definitely quicker through the gears without, slightly faster times at the 'pod etc. I also know of other cars (not cossies) that were slower with the DV removed. You have to consider the whole system, the DV is only a tiny part of it. Only way to know is to try it on your own car and see.
The only question left then is whether a DV makes your turbo last longer by reducing stress on it. I don't know anybody who has done enough miles with no DV to answer that yet, any volunteers? I did 65K on my last turbo before the car was sold with a factory recirc DV (very similar to stock cossie one). Since getting a replacement turbo for a 323GT-R is like finding gold fillings in hens teeth, the DV is staying until someone can prove to me that removing it won't sh*g my turbo in 20K miles. Since pretty well all the manufacturers of turbo cars fit one of some description, there has to be a reason, and I assume it has more to do with keeping warranty claims down than improving performance.
Has anybody started that mini turbo thread? And stevie, how long have you had your car? I seem to remember talking to a guy from Northern Ireland at Santa Pod with a mini turbo, but it was years back now. I was with my mate in a blue Mk1 turbo.
There are definitely 2 very different schools of thought on this, and I don't think there is a definitive answer for 100% of circumstances. A few of my mates with cossies have taken the DV off, and the car is definitely quicker through the gears without, slightly faster times at the 'pod etc. I also know of other cars (not cossies) that were slower with the DV removed. You have to consider the whole system, the DV is only a tiny part of it. Only way to know is to try it on your own car and see.
The only question left then is whether a DV makes your turbo last longer by reducing stress on it. I don't know anybody who has done enough miles with no DV to answer that yet, any volunteers? I did 65K on my last turbo before the car was sold with a factory recirc DV (very similar to stock cossie one). Since getting a replacement turbo for a 323GT-R is like finding gold fillings in hens teeth, the DV is staying until someone can prove to me that removing it won't sh*g my turbo in 20K miles. Since pretty well all the manufacturers of turbo cars fit one of some description, there has to be a reason, and I assume it has more to do with keeping warranty claims down than improving performance.
Has anybody started that mini turbo thread? And stevie, how long have you had your car? I seem to remember talking to a guy from Northern Ireland at Santa Pod with a mini turbo, but it was years back now. I was with my mate in a blue Mk1 turbo.