Leicester's the buzzing place right now, apparently.

 

In this social media world, anywhere beautiful is ruined in season; you wouldn't believe the **** (literally) that has been left around West Cornwall during these heatwaves, and we are normally spared the idiots due to distance.
On drugs, that's why I said Portugal was enlightened; not to advocate taking them, but as a practical means of combating them that has entirely failed forever in other countries like ours. I like a drink as well, but the social cost of alcohol is far greater than virtually all illegal drugs put together.

 

Coastal fishing ports will see a revival if 'No Deal' is realised.

Entertainment towns possibly, given the 'new normal' could well be permanent

 

You had better start wanting someting more than cod and haddock then , otherwise its just a pipedream

i know several fisherman who control everthing from catching to selling , and iv done some work for bloke whos having new boat bulit

but this is small enterprise - hardlya revival of costal towns as brexiters would love you to think

 

Owt's better than nowt.

 

As said , haddova daydreaming

 

Corporate fishing fleets are what has killed the British fishing industry, not EU quotas!
UK fisheries will no longer be able to fish in other countries waters meaning far less variety on UK landed fish and UK caught fish will struggle to sell due to import restrictions to the biggest market.
From a sustainability point of view, Brexit will probably be a good thing for the fish, but it will be a disaster for the UK fishing industry!
Still, at least we'll have control!

Back on topic! For me living anywhere in the UK ignoring the OPs requirements, I'd be heading for the countryside: Lake district, North Wales, Scotland, Peak District or the South West would be my go-to places!

Although in reality, the UK would be low on my choice of a country to live in! South Germany suits me from a work+lifestyle perspective, taking work out of the equation, then as others have said, Portugal would be quite high on the list or staying close to the Alps in Switzerland, Austria or Northern Italy (Dolomites) would also be nice. Otherwise Eastern less populated Mediterranean countries. Further afield, New Zealand would be very much a place I'd love to live!

 

Corporate fishing fleets. You mean a few family owned businesses with a few boats and Marrs etc. Their hardly big firms and Marrs don't own any boats now. I could name a dozen more none that I would call corporate.
As for we won't have the variety cause we won't be allowed to fish in other countries waters is nonsense cause the average person in the UK wouldn't eat 99% of what the various EU populations would.
They have very very little in their waters that we don't have.

 

We must have similar varieties of everything , but we don’t eat much of it

this sounds quite corporate

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/201...-michael-gove/


or are they lying ?

 

Here's an interesting article on the history of fishing quotas in the UK and how the UK has turned quotas into a commodity
A related article about who actually owns the UK fishing quotas
Essentially the same story on the BBC and the question of post-Brexit fishing policy
and the Guardians take on the issue
Do you think a UK Conservative government will change the quota rules to favour the small British owned fleets, or do you think they will prefer the current commodity model to support their rich friends?
Of course, its always the EU that gets fingered as the bad guy, but as usual, its more a question of domestic policy - the EU only gives the UK a quota, it doesn't tell us how to distribute it!

 

Around half of England’s quota is ultimately owned by Dutch, Icelandic, or Spanish interests

That says it all really.
Most of that is what they want you to hear not what is actually happening and most of that is industrial fishing with super trawlers catching hundreds of tons of herring and mackerel in one tow not your average boat from Brixham etc.
Another thing quotas are only allocated to a vessel and can be revoked at anytime even though they seem to have become currency. A bit like a driving licence it entitles you to drive but its not really yours.

 

From what i can make out the "non industrial" fishing fleet get 20 percent of quota availbale

What are the chances Brexit British will choose shellfish over trumps cut price chlorinated chicken ?

 

60% of UK catch is sold abroad, mostly in Europe. Fact.

 

Is correct so would we not be better catching it and selling it to them There was nearly a war over a couple of UK boats catching scallops in French waters and they we're there legally

 

They were there too early from what could make out

 

Sure, but with no deal Brexit, they'll just buy from Ireland instead because it will be cheaper and less complicated. It's up to the UK government will gets the quotas, they could have always given it to British owned boats as the French and Spanish do, but there UK is more about personal greed than supporting your own industry! But you know, it's all the EUs fault!

 

Correct, they were fishing scollops out of season!

 

You don't seem to understand Sir quota has become a currency which it should not have. There are large Pelagic ships and owners buying up quota to RENT to other vessels and we all know the reason for them buying it. As said before you only hear what they want you to hear. The Irish fleet could not provide anywhere near enough for the available market. I could tell you stories about quota's that would make your toes curl.

 

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Look into that you'll find there was a reason.

 

At you saying there should never have been quota ??

just a free for all ?


Or

If I’m right you Believe it’s the EU’S fault that quota is not divided up evenly across any particular countries citizens ?

 

There should of been quotas but in your own countries waters some of the French boats where built far in excess of the size and needs of their fishery. They where built to travel hundreds of miles to target some of our stocks in the North sea and the west coast of Scotland. 35 ish years ago big Spanish co'ops where buying up all the licences and quotas they could get their hands on to add them all together to put onto super trawlers. You can buy twenty small boat licences and add them together to gain enough vcu's to place on a bigger Ship. It is the real the rich get richer and the poor get poorer scenario.

 

And Uk boats were not built to go to Iceland ??

some body sold those licenses quota to the foreigners ! Why ?

 

Erm, that is exactly what I was saying!
The point is that that is the way the UK has chosen to handle its quotas, as a tradeable commodity which will end up in the hands of the highest bidder, regardless of where they come from! The EU sets no regulation on how a country divides its quota. Other countries, in particular France and Spain have taken a much more protective policy to support their own fishing industry which has led to little foreign ownership of the quotas. The state of the UK fishing industry is a direct consequence of UK policy and not on EU restrictions, the EU quota scheme has just been used as a scapegoat to deflect criticism of poor government policy since the cod wars and the beginning of the common fisheries policy (which the UK was a driving force behind). Have another read of the first link I posted above, it gives a very good historical account!

 

I think he's saying if we wernt in the eu then those quotas could not have been sold abroad ??

 

 

But again , sombody here has sold those quota

why ?

 

[QUOTE=IdonthaveaScooby;12084540]But again , sombody here has sold those quota

why ?[/QUOTE
Long long story. Licences are broken down into various sections. VCU's then there was the scrappage scheme which upped the price of licenses and quotas and effectively priced the average fisherman out of their way of life and livelihood. The large EU based firms bought as many licenses as they could which combined could be attached to larger ships. The price of the licenses and quota then sky rocketed and priced the average fisherman out of the market plus the price of fish stayed stationary and the crews could not afford to live hence why most of the vessels are crewed by foreigners with the Skipper/owner possibly being the only British person aboard.

 

Well that’s no different to merchant shipping , navigator mate mine gave up in the eighties - works in a hotel

now . Don’t know how brexit could fix that


My mother bought ex mfv from Buckie , when they decided take license to something else . Used it as home / workshop for long time

 

[QUOTE=1509joe;12084545]At the time of the cod wars, there was no common fisheries policy and no EU regulation and an open seas policy, hence the UK fleet fishing in Icelandic waters and others fishing in UK waters. It was the UN that brought in domestic waters policy which effectively banned the UK fleet from fishing in foreign waters and foreign fleets fishing in UK waters which was a disaster for the UK. The UK (with others) then pushed the EU to create the common fisheries policy thus opening up the possibility for the UK fleet to fish in foreign waters again and started the quota system thus to more or less restore the situation before the UN policy change. So far so good!

The EU regulated the quotas for each country, but left each country free to manage their own quota distribution! The EU did not force us to commoditise the quota system, it was our (the governments) choice to implement it that way in the UK! Other countries chose a different way which made less money, but protected the domestic fleets from foreign takeover. This is going back to the Thatcher days, where commoditising everything was the fashion - they saw a way to make lots of money out of a new scheme and gave little regard to the long term consequences!

If we hadn't of joined the EU, the UN would still have stopped us fishing in foreign waters, so there is a good chance that the UK would still have wanted a similar agreement with the EU as a non-member in order to re-open the foreign fisheries to UK boats which was highly desirable at that time. In which case, it is probably still true that the UK government would have commoditised it in the same way and we would be in the same situation as we are now with the highest (foreign) bidder consolidating large proportions of the quotas. A situation created totally by us and which has very little to do with our membership of the EU! Its easy to blame the EU for not giving enough quotas for the small domestic fleets, but the reality is the UK gets more than enough in quotas, we just sold them to the wrong people! Remember that Iceland is not in the EU, yet still owns much of the UK quotas, so you can't even blame the EU membership for enabling the the purchase of UK quotas, otherwise Icelandic owners wouldn't have been able to buy them!