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Old Yesterday, 04:29 PM   #2071
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So this boys mates didn't 'rat' on him for fear of offending white supremacists?

Trump has clearly foundered

Obvious to anyone not brainwashed
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He wasn’t known to have mental health issues at the time that he bought the gun.

Whats concerning is more that there were quite specific warnings of what he was capable of and nothing was done. People around him as well as the FBI were aware and nobody stepped forward.
Just as a witness was suspicious of the suspects just before the SAN Bernardino attack but didn’t want to report anything in fear of being ‘racist’.

But yeah, Trumps probably to blame, seen as he’s done as much and as little as Obama and just about every other president has done about gun control.

Not too bright there, huh buddy? The point is that the chap focuses on blaming everything else, wrongly, instead of focusing on the core causes. If you are with us trying to MAGA, you are fitting the bill perfectly, GOOD JOB!

Every president has either been complicit in the continuing lack of action OR has been shot down (as it were) when trying to create change. I don't think any have turned around and blamed the victims when things like tbhis have happened - Trump is a real breath of fresh air, saying what others won't, such impressive leadership. The leader America has been waiting for!

The FBI tip off line not connecting with the field office and taking action is certainly a problem - but it this guy, who was not much more than a child, can still purchase and hang on to weapons after the local cops have been told he is a nutcase and whilst he has 'School shooter' on his social media - perhaps there are other options and things to focus on here.....

Of course, the emperor god king can do no wrong. How dare anyone focus on Trump - I mean, he gives his condolences to the victims and reminds them that they should have done more - that's how to be presidential!!

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I'm still waiting for you to show us all where i've actually said that. Rather than simply regurgitating the same lie over and over.

What i actually said is that anyone with half an understanding of engineering/science could tell you how to make a bomb. If you try and ban that information then you will be banning a lot of reference material.
Because why should our MAGA heroes have to justify anything they say? They're perfect and if they say that the FBI are beaming signals into Muslims heads, so that they can invoke the wishes of the deep state and subvert our culture, by learning science, then who are you to question that??

Science is so dangerous, duh!

I mean, we should have freedom but not be so free that people can be bad. Even if we take down all content that is blatantly there for the use by terrorists and the bad people - we can't have people using loopholes and the dark web to do this stuff!! Even if it is mostly out of our control and the millions we spend on national security to research and close this stuff down - we should be free/not free - that's the way logic works.

Let's teach just enough of everything, to not be dangerous. I know they say knowledge is power. They also say a little knowledge can be dangerous!

Let's use the internet as a free resource for knowledge and sharing - but not too free or accessible or open - in fact, that's why net-neutrality was such a bad thing and is of course why our friend and protector of those innocents on the internet, Ajit Pai, is getting rid of our freedoms, whilst making them greater - what a hero. We should shake the hand of whomever made it possible for that guy to be in control of federal communications, because he understands internets.

Anyway, I went off piste, you're a bad man, Neil. How dare you support terrorism!!
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Hence why polls I’ve put up are in retaliation to the ‘have you seen his approval ratings?’ Posts.

What matters is the vote.
Good thing the people voted...for...him....then....err. He won, get over it! Clinton's emails! Uranium! Pizza Paedos!

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I don't think any have turned around and blamed the victims when things like tbhis have happened - Trump is a real breath of fresh air, saying what others won't, such impressive leadership. The leader America has been waiting for!
Can you show me the video of Trump blaming the victims please....?
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Its no good - you dont watch msm / and or its all lies
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The FBI tip off line not connecting with the field office and taking action is certainly a problem - but it this guy, who was not much more than a child, can still purchase and hang on to weapons after the local cops have been told he is a nutcase and whilst he has 'School shooter' on his social media - perhaps there are other options and things to focus on here.....

Of course, the emperor god king can do no wrong. How dare anyone focus on Trump - I mean, he gives his condolences to the victims and reminds them that they should have done more - that's how to be presidential!!

Come on, can you feel the winning!?!?!
100% agree on anyone being able to buy guns, let alone the age of the lad, the complete incompetence of the FBI etc etc surrounding this situation.
However, as you claimed, this has nothing to do with Trump and the laws surrounding purchasing weapons whilst mentally unstable. He brought them before anyone had an inkling.

How do you prevent that? well don’t sell weapons would be a good start.
As has already been discussed Obama would never have been president had his policy been to ban weapons, nor Trump or anyone else. It is again ‘culture’ of the American people that are offended if anyone dare suggest they shouldn’t have the right to commit a mass shooting should they wish.

To any potential candidate the mere hint of changes in gun law would automatically lose 50% of the votes.

You cant blame Trump, Obama or anyone for that matter it would take a constitutional change and likely a few decades to eradicate the sheer number of weapons in that country.

The argument for the sake of weapons in the US though will hinge on the fact that the amount of crime committed is offset by the amount of crime prevented based on the ownership of a weapon by a potential victim.
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Predictable lol

arm the kiddies , make the place safer still
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100% agree on anyone being able to buy guns, let alone the age of the lad, the complete incompetence of the FBI etc etc surrounding this situation.
However, as you claimed, this has nothing to do with Trump and the laws surrounding purchasing weapons whilst mentally unstable. He brought them before anyone had an inkling.

How do you prevent that? well don’t sell weapons would be a good start.
As has already been discussed Obama would never have been president had his policy been to ban weapons, nor Trump or anyone else. It is again ‘culture’ of the American people that are offended if anyone dare suggest they shouldn’t have the right to commit a mass shooting should they wish.

To any potential candidate the mere hint of changes in gun law would automatically lose 50% of the votes.

You cant blame Trump, Obama or anyone for that matter it would take a constitutional change and likely a few decades to eradicate the sheer number of weapons in that country.

The argument for the sake of weapons in the US though will hinge on the fact that the amount of crime committed is offset by the amount of crime prevented based on the ownership of a weapon by a potential victim.
Serious head on for a sec - as I am literally brought to tears at yet more children dying, needlessly.

There were many signs that were shown by the young chap that should have had law enforcement taking the guns off the guy - implementing such a thing is a nightmare.The guy was buying weapons before and after people had an 'inkling' of this guys instability and evil intent. In fact, the words of his classmates was "if anyone is gonna shoot up the school it will be this guy" - how sad that their prediction came true!

Now, it is a fact that many democrats, including Obama, tried to change and implement gun control but were blocked by greed and ignorance in both some of the voters and by corporations and greedy politicians who are being paid off.

The problem here, that we are referencing has been Trumps response, which you again ignored completely, as you are completely one sided in your arguments for the most case. Victim blaming is poor show and even you should be able to see that the immediate response was not one that anyone, let alone a leader of the most powerful nation in the world, should be exhibiting.

Now, I am super cynical about anyone doing this and also into the motives but, if it is genuine then it is great that todayI see news stating that Trump might be looking to investigate possible changes that can be made into gun legislation - it could just be posturing and just be empty words, it could be that Trump is doing this just to gain popularity from some groups but it could also be actual change - I don't care how it happens, but it needs to happen.

I'm not going to hold my breath but if he does anything (under any motive) it will be a positive thing. There is a lot of money from the NRA and other lobbyists though, so we will see! This is most likely going to need the people to rise up, in order for any change to happen, in all reality.

Just not selling weapons, right now, is not the answer (we're in too deep and that is a simplistic and ignorant view) - a complex mish-mash of issues needs to be looked into. Mostof the shooters we have experienced were not mentally ill but had personality disorders and some were just dicks (evil dicks). So it's not just mental health that needs to be better looked after in the USA (and probably globally) but the societal issues at play, the way technology influences that, the disposable world we live in, yada yada yada. A lot needs to change - whoever the president is.
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The problem here, that we are referencing has been Trumps response, which you again ignored completely, as you are completely one sided in your arguments for the most case. Victim blaming is poor show and even you should be able to see that the immediate response was not one that anyone, let alone a leader of the most powerful nation in the world, should be exhibiting.



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I’ve asked once. Show me the video, not a twisted MSM article where he says the victims were to blame.
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The argument for the sake of weapons in the US though will hinge on the fact that the amount of crime committed is offset by the amount of crime prevented based on the ownership of a weapon by a potential victim.
That's one of the weird and completely unfounded arguments, posed by actual [email protected] morons, btw. It will not hinge on that argument - it will hinge on making people feel that they are still decent patriots and that their constitution is not being eroded -that's the bigger thing - if people think their guns are being taken away, that will be a problem. If legislation is changed very intelligently, tactfully with this in mind, maybe we will get some where but it will, indeed as you mention, take a while.
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Serious head on for a sec - as I am literally brought to tears at yet more children dying, needlessly.

There were many signs that were shown by the young chap that should have had law enforcement taking the guns off the guy - implementing such a thing is a nightmare.The guy was buying weapons before and after people had an 'inkling' of this guys instability and evil intent. In fact, the words of his classmates was "if anyone is gonna shoot up the school it will be this guy" - how sad that their prediction came true!

Now, it is a fact that many democrats, including Obama, tried to change and implement gun control but were blocked by greed and ignorance in both some of the voters and by corporations and greedy politicians who are being paid off.

The problem here, that we are referencing has been Trumps response, which you again ignored completely, as you are completely one sided in your arguments for the most case. Victim blaming is poor show and even you should be able to see that the immediate response was not one that anyone, let alone a leader of the most powerful nation in the world, should be exhibiting.

Now, I am super cynical about anyone doing this and also into the motives but, if it is genuine then it is great that todayI see news stating that Trump might be looking to investigate possible changes that can be made into gun legislation - it could just be posturing and just be empty words, it could be that Trump is doing this just to gain popularity from some groups but it could also be actual change - I don't care how it happens, but it needs to happen.

I'm not going to hold my breath but if he does anything (under any motive) it will be a positive thing. There is a lot of money from the NRA and other lobbyists though, so we will see! This is most likely going to need the people to rise up, in order for any change to happen, in all reality.

Just not selling weapons, right now, is not the answer (we're in too deep and that is a simplistic and ignorant view) - a complex mish-mash of issues needs to be looked into. Mostof the shooters we have experienced were not mentally ill but had personality disorders and some were just dicks (evil dicks). So it's not just mental health that needs to be better looked after in the USA (and probably globally) but the societal issues at play, the way technology influences that, the disposable world we live in, yada yada yada. A lot needs to change - whoever the president is.
”I suffer the slings and arrows for you the American people to make America great again”. Trump, during his election campaign.

The irony of of this whole situation is that the ONLY president you’ll likely ever have with big enough bollocks to put some serious blocks or bans in place is Trump.

You have to go back to Reagan and Jimmy Carter to find the original letter from them both asking for assault weapons to be banned.

Those were career politicians that sought re-election, anyone should be clear by now that Trump certainly isn’t looking to do that.
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I’ve asked once. Show me the video, not a twisted MSM article where he says the victims were to blame.
Holy **** - go and look it up, it is not twisted MSM articles etc. as you like to say - it's a damned fact, he Tweeted those very words.

Jesus H Christ you are a complete [email protected]! Comepletely brainwashed and devoid of rational thought - MAGA!!!

Here's his exact tweet, which I know you will try and twist into some other meaning, of course - fact is, he blames neighbors and friends for not reporting the guy (although they did!!)

Like I said, he blames anyone else except looking at what the actual problem is (but sometimes there must be someone he listens to or something that triggers him to see what a monumental idiot he has been and sometimes he comes out with something decent at least.)

His tweet, go look it up:

'So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!'

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That's one of the weird and completely unfounded arguments, posed by actual [email protected] morons, btw. It will not hinge on that argument - it will hinge on making people feel that they are still decent patriots and that their constitution is not being eroded -that's the bigger thing - if people think their guns are being taken away, that will be a problem. If legislation is changed very intelligently, tactfully with this in mind, maybe we will get some where but it will, indeed as you mention, take a while.
There is already legislation in place. 40% I believe of gun sales in the US are done without background checks. More deaths from handguns than assault rifles.

My view is a complete ban. That won’t happen overnight.
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”I suffer the slings and arrows for you the American people to make America great again”. Trump, during his election campaign.

The irony of of this whole situation is that the ONLY president you’ll likely ever have with big enough bollocks to put some serious blocks or bans in place is Trump.

You have to go back to Reagan and Jimmy Carter to find the original letter from them both asking for assault weapons to be banned.

Those were career politicians that sought re-election, anyone should be clear by now that Trump certainly isn’t looking to do that.
Irrelevant and certainly not ironic - just a political tool for the guy, precisely for what you are saying it is not for, re-election.
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There is already legislation in place. 40% I believe of gun sales in the US are done without background checks. More deaths from handguns than assault rifles.

My view is a complete ban. That won’t happen overnight.
What? Legislation is already in place? Of course there is, it is poorly regulated and constructed though, THAT IS THE PROBLEM!

[email protected], I forgot how dense you were - legislation change needs to happen - banning all guns will not happen, we didn't even do that in the UK!!

More deaths from handguns, yes, correct. More mass shootings using assault rifles, funnily enough.

Your view just highlights the ignorance to the culture in the USA - you cannot just read up on that to understand it. Once you live it, then you start to really understand how deep some feelings and motivations behind them are.
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Holy **** - go and look it up, it is not twisted MSM articles etc. as you like to say - it's a damned fact, he Tweeted those very words.

Jesus H Christ you are a complete [email protected]! Comepletely brainwashed and devoid of rational thought - MAGA!!!

Here's his exact tweet, which I know you will try and twist into some other meaning, of course - fact is, he blames neighbors and friends for not reporting the guy (although they did!!)

Like I said, he blames anyone else except looking at what the actual problem is (but sometimes there must be someone he listens to or something that triggers him to see what a monumental idiot he has been and sometimes he comes out with something decent at least.

His tweet, go look it up:

'So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!'
Right, so where’s the part about the victims?.

Look up Trumps comments on SAN Bernadino and the whole ‘what’s going on?’ As in why did a man suspect a terror plot and FEEL like he couldn’t report it for fear of racism.
It mirrors his ‘tweet’. If you suspect this, or any kind of dangerous situation hammer on the door of authorities.
I wonder if at this point if it was known the FBI were warned.
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Right, so where’s the part about the victims?.

Look up Trumps comments on SAN Bernadino and the whole ‘what’s going on?’ As in why did a man suspect a terror plot and FEEL like he couldn’t report it for fear of racism.
It mirrors his ‘tweet’. If you suspect this, or any kind of dangerous situation hammer on the door of authorities.
I wonder if at this point if it was known the FBI were warned.
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Wow, can you actually read?? There you are doing the twisting of words again - [email protected] off with San Bernadino - you love to construct a whole narrative using one event. Idiotic and irrelevant to this particular event!
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[QUOTE=Torquemada;11996318]What? Legislation is already in place? Of course there is, it is poorly regulated and constructed though, THAT IS THE PROBLEM!

[email protected], I forgot how dense you were - legislation change needs to happen - banning all guns will not happen, we didn't even do that in the UK!!

More deaths from handguns, yes, correct. More mass shootings using assault rifles, funnily enough.

Your view just highlights the ignorance to the culture in the USA - you cannot just read up on that to understand it. Once you live it, then you start to really understand how deep some feelings and motivations behind them are.[/QUOTE

You’re the dense ****wit that believes someone blames the victims when the word victim isn’t even used.

You’re so insecure you have to find someone to blame but refuse to count the many many presidents (who you list as your favourite presidents) who failed to do anything 30 years ago.

Its a culture, and if the culture is to keep guns then the culture will be to keep mass shootings. Legislation doesn’t work, hasn’t worked and will continue to be flawed.

I wonder if the dense person is the one who hates guns but lives in one flooded with them.
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Wow, can you actually read?? There you are doing the twisting of words again - [email protected] off with San Bernadino - you love to construct a whole narrative using one event. Idiotic and irrelevant to this particular event!
Lol, how angry you get because someone has a different opinion....fpmsl.
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You’re the dense ****wit that believes someone blames the victims when the word victim isn’t even used.

You’re so insecure you have to find someone to blame but refuse to count the many many presidents (who you list as your favourite presidents) who failed to do anything 30 years ago.

Its a culture, and if the culture is to keep guns then the culture will be to keep mass shootings. Legislation doesn’t work, hasn’t worked and will continue to be flawed.

I wonder if the dense person is the one who hates guns but lives in one flooded with them.
Wrong - literally everything you say is incorrect and comeing from some bizarre place in your head - and omg, go back and read about my stance on guns - idiot.

You have literally no idea and just fill in the blanks with whatever you feel like and then find the rest on right wing websites, switch the words a little and pump them back into this thread - amazing - you have literally no idea you are even doing it - I expect to see another moronic post from you with nothing but ignorance, by the time I click 'submit reply' on this post.

I'm gonna go have lunch, then come back to continue with this entertaining **** fest you are uploading to the internet.

Edited to add - yep, I post, to find yet another moronic post waiting there for me - you do make my travels on the internet more entertaining!!

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Right, so where’s the part about the victims?.

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His tweet, go look it up:

'So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!'
Ok Kwik, what do you think Trump meant by his tweet? My take on it is that he was kinda blaming the shooters classmates, you know, the victims.
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You have to read between the lines to see what he means / doesnt mean

nobody but kwik is capable of this
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I'm still waiting for you to show us all where i've actually said that. Rather than simply regurgitating the same lie over and over.

What i actually said is that anyone with half an understanding of engineering/science could tell you how to make a bomb. If you try and ban that information then you will be banning a lot of reference material.
I can’t even remember if it’s on this thread or another tbf, but you were quoted by another user just the other week.
It was some rambling nonsense about ‘thought policing’ and how it was wrong to remove such a thing where possible.

You know what you said. I could spend ages finding your direct quotes but as you and others do repeatedly you’d either....
A. Run off and post again in a month or so
B. Get all sarcastic and avoid directly answering to your own quote
C. Tell me I’m racist.

Your post was an attempt to deflect away from your own comments on a ‘manual’ found online which is against the law to download. I’ll ask again, as not one of you has the bollocks to answer.

If you defend a manual on bomb making which is illegal to download, will you also defend the manual Jon Venables downloaded and has been prosecuted for reportedly entitled ‘how to be a successful Peadophile’?.

If you defend one and not the other can you kindly tell me how one would be ‘thought policing’ whilst the other isn’t?.

Fairly straight forward question, should be easy to answer. Although your squirming is pretty much all we all need to know.

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Ok Kwik, what do you think Trump meant by his tweet? My take on it is that he was kinda blaming the shooters classmates, you know, the victims.
Heres a liberal, left wing article sniping at Trump back in June 2016.
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Donald Trump on Monday proposed punishing Americans if they don't turn in their friends and neighbors for behaving suspiciously.

"In San Bernardino, people knew what was going on, they knew exactly, but they used the excuse of racial profiling for not reporting it," Trump said during a speech in the wake of the Orlando mass shooting.

The presumptive GOP presidential nominee was presumably referring to unverified reports that a woman who lived near the mother of one of the San Bernardino shooters had noticed that the family received "quite a few packages within a short amount of time, and they were doing a lot of work out in the garage."


This article and the MSM at the time made these very similar comments out to be ‘racist’.
I assume you were riled up into thinking along the same lines.

Now it’s said about a white kid the angle has to be ‘victim blaming’.

The whole thread is ‘community’ harking back to the days when people felt comfortable enough to report something suspicious or possibly dangerous, leaving behind the theme today that if a normal person were to infer anything then they are immediately set upon by angry, PC **** nuggets.
I’m sure hotlines are extremely busy right now with thousands and thousands of kids doing exactly as he’s said. Pointing out the possible maniac. I’m sure though said maniacs are being wrapped in cotton wool by PC ******** who like to protect the ‘rights’ of potential killers, people just like Neil H.

But a scapegoat is required. So blame trump. Not the ‘hero’ presidents who failed to ban assault rifles 30-40 years ago.

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You have to read between the lines to see what he means / doesnt mean

nobody but kwik is capable of this
Were the words ‘the victims were to blame’ used?
No.
Were the words ‘terror attack in Sweden’ used?
No.
Were the words ‘the kkk are very fine people’ used?
No.

Reading between the lines and coming up with exaggerated bull**** is a liberal trend.
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Wrong - literally everything you say is incorrect and comeing from some bizarre place in your head - and omg, go back and read about my stance on guns - idiot.

You have literally no idea and just fill in the blanks with whatever you feel like and then find the rest on right wing websites, switch the words a little and pump them back into this thread - amazing - you have literally no idea you are even doing it - I expect to see another moronic post from you with nothing but ignorance, by the time I click 'submit reply' on this post.

I'm gonna go have lunch, then come back to continue with this entertaining **** fest you are uploading to the internet.

Edited to add - yep, I post, to find yet another moronic post waiting there for me - you do make my travels on the internet more entertaining!!
You need to calm down. That entire post is just angry, frustrated abuse because someone ‘dares’ to have a different opinion.

You live in a democratic country. Trump was voted in by way of democracy. You have to accept that a very large percentage of people think differently to you and not instantly HATE that person. That is the optiome of bigotry, ****-like ideals where so much fury and upset is caused just because you want to threaten and berate someone into submission and it simply isn’t working.

Until you are open to the idea that half of the country you live in love trump because his quite brutal and honest words ring Home with them and they see things differently to you then you will not have a ‘free mind’ to sit back and think things through logically.

Half love him and read conservative material, half hate him and read liberal material. Having the ideal that one ‘side’ is better, more correct or smarter than the other is close a **** thought process.

‘I’ll suffer the slings and arrows to make this country great again’ is just saying I will take the abuse for saying uncomfortable truths for America.

IE san bernadihno, Sweden, Islamic terrorism, immigration, fake news.... the list is endless.

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Youd certainly like to think half /half have these strong opinions . In reality its bull****

Trump is expert manipulator of the press ,and you are happy to defend him to hilt because hes hoodwinked you and lots other desperate peeps

you have a chip on shoulder and a champion ( who doesnt give two hoots about you ) to fight your acquired cause of blaming everything foreign /richer than you for your woes - and liberals by default
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