David Lock

On the eve of signing the Peace Accord he ordered the death of a woman and asked that her body be hidden. In fact she was murdered but her body left in the open.

His horrific crimes and murder CANNOT be forgiven. I go along with the view that the IRA knew that they would never win so they changed course radically.

Yes he might have been a nice chap but so apparently was Charles Manson.

I do though understand anger that Eire had as Britain had treated the country very roughly in the past century but the IRA stance was way more than necessary. I wondered if UK could have leased NI to Eire for say 150 years so UK could always claim ownership but Eire might have accepted their part in the arrangement (like Hong Kong) and people would have just carried on as before. I don't think a ranting Paisley helped and more encouragement should have been given to mixing school intake. Easy to say from an armchair though. David

Martin2005

Maybe, but that's also a crass simplification of the issues that we're / are involved

Tidgy

Whether he planted a bomb himself or not he was still involved in the organisation of attacks and as a senior figure within the IRA, or why did the IRA use him as a negotiator?

He lied about being in the IRA, he denied it in 1993 stating 'I have never been in the IRA' and yet he was convicted of terrorism (1973) and stated in court 'I am a member of Óglaigh na hÉireann and very, very proud of it'.

He lied when it suited him and i have no doubt he got involved in peace to try to literally get away with murder when he knew full well sooner or later he was going to end up in prison on a life sentence.


While we can applaud his efforts in the peace process we mustn't forget what he did prior to that.

Tidgy

by blowing up innocent civilians? don't forget IRA went after civilian targets, military targets and even military personnel families.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._peace_process

full list there which makes very unpleasant reading.

While the past is the past and i do believe we should draw a line under it as far as prosecutions on both side, you can't ignore what people did when they die.

scoobypaul_temp

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You are, end of.

Tidgy

Wasn't alot of it actualy irish on irish? protestant vs catholic

RAGGY DOO

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If Lloyd George would of handed back our six counties when he had the chance in 1921 there wouldn't of been any troubles in the north
It's great Britians fault for invading Ireland and not handing back the north when you had the chance blame yourselves

steve05wrx

I think 1921 is a bit before our (and the current band of terrorists from both sides) time!

RAGGY DOO

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The good Friday agreement was signed almost 20 years ago why are you going on about something that wa effectively over in 1998?

The Trooper 1815

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A terrorist and evidence to back it up.

The Trooper 1815

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So you have a Saint not born in Ireland.
6 counties STILL part of the UK and occupied.
Who won?

Paben

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What a load of utter tripe. Do you not know that Northern Ireland is part of the UK, so not 'someone else's country' as you stupidly claim? The military was there as a peacekeeping force, at the specific request of the Northern Ireland government. Over 1,400 military personnel died during that peacekeeping operation, a fair number of them victims of your IRA friends.

RAGGY DOO

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Can't keep invading murdering raping and stealing they will be repercussions
Look at what's happening in the Middle East I suppose that's their fault too

1509joe

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Happened/happening all over the world. You are 100% correct Sir.

1509joe

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Think you may look into your statement. Like was said before there is far far more to the whole situation than possibly any of us can preach about. The Scottish could be brought into it aswell but we'll leave that for another day. Oh and by the way the Loyalists factions killed far people than the IRA.

The Trooper 1815

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In english.

The Loyalist killed far less than the IRA because they were crap. The IRA had the backing of the US dollar and in particular the Kennedy family, how soon they forgot that they were also our allies in NATO etc etc. I was involved so can preach about it.

The situation remains, McGuinness died with guilt writ large all over him about the deaths of many people.

1998 worked out well in that they pardoned many IRA terrorists and released them. Well done Tony Bliar and his mates. Don't be fooled by the lack of reporting current terrorist incidents in NI.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39350435

The Trooper 1815

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dickymincer lives in a country that was freed from oppression with the help of Armed Forces. How lucky his he

The Trooper 1815

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RAGGY DOO

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Your reading too many fairytales trooper

1509joe

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I'm not getting involved in a discussion with yourself cause even though you have a couple of valid points you have not got a clue what your talking about. It strikes me that you do not wish accept FACTS. There is still incidents in N.I. but they are near enough brushed under the carpet so as not to disrupt the peace process. Please go and do some reading about the troubles why and how they started. There's a couple of very interesting factual films on the whole situation if you don't wish to read the facts.

steve05wrx

Hi,
When I researched the history of troubles in Northern Ireland - I was shocked to learn that the British army that were originally welcomed by the Catholic population, soon alienated them by heavy handed searches and rough treatment of innocent civilians.
This was mainly by the parachute regiment - that were good soldiers but made poor "policemen" dealing with civil unrest.
Cheers
Steve

ditchmyster

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It's generally accepted that when people resort to personal insults it's because they've lost the argument.

Thing is my friend, you sold your right to a valid opinion when you decided to sign on the dotted line to join an armed gang and do the bidding of others for money.

You better than most should know from personal experience what a load of bollocks this is, yet you continually defend the position of war mongers for profit... because lets face it... that's what war is about.

But hey I don't expect you to EVER get it... until the day you die... then think of ME in that moment when you finally realise what a load of bollocks you've spent your life defending.

De Nile is a river in Egypt.

Paben

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This is just rambling nonsense and deserves no further comment than that.

ditchmyster

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He's a decent enough bloke, but like so many... misguided by the system... not much you can do for people like that unfortunately... utterly convinced they're in the right.... ring any bells.

ditchmyster

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I'm obviously a very rare commodity... someone that's able to look at a situation from both sides.

There is no black and white... just shades of grey.

ditchmyster

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You're at it again.

Dude can't you even begin to realise that if we go about the place shooting and killing people in the name of our brand of right... that those we shoot and kill... for their own good... to apparently "Protect" them from themselves... that they might take umbridge at being shot, bombed and generally ran ruff shod over and see fit to do something by way of retaliation???????????????????????????????????????

Fv@k me are people really that stupid..........

Paben

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Some people really are that stupid and you're living proof of it.

1509joe

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Rambling nonsense your rambling nonsense by not accepting facts. Don't like being proved wrong springs to mind.

Paben

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You need to go back to 'English' classes then you might make sense

ditchmyster

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Yet again no valid argument, just insults.

But you just like your mate Trooper, gave up the right to a valid opinion, you're both complicit in the killing of innocent people... so hardly in a position of strength from which to comment.

You're both for all intents and purposes are no different to those you condemn.

Save your bull $h!t propaganda for the dead people of all the wars you've been involved in where allied forces bombed people from 10.000 feet and wiped out innocent civilians along with the "enemy" of the greedy money mad billionaires that you really serve.

Sad but true my friend.