Dingdongler

Agreed. I'm definitely after a quattro model.

Thanks

gazney101

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I'm really fancying an a6 but I want the 3.0bitdi. looking at generic remap numbers should make a very quick car on the road.

Dingdongler

I think the problem is that the power can easily overwhelm cars like that. Some years ago I had a bmw 535d MS which had circa 300 BHP. The problem was that the brakes and suspension weren't up to the job so I never felt comfortable deploying the power.

Dingdongler

Sorry to bump this again but after seeing recent news reports about the deaths attributable to diesel cars I thought it pertinent.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ses-data-shows

Does anybody think that some sort of tax or penalty will be levied against diesel cars in the near future?

Thanks

hodgy0_2

yes, almost certainly

which is one reason why I swapped my diesel for a petrol

https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...l#post11908462

Dingdongler

Thanks.

But given how heavily diesel cars have been incentivised on ecological grounds over the last couple of decades do you think its feasible they would now be subject to punitive measures on the same grounds?
Wouldn't the fallout be too great?

poffer1

Naaaah! We're talking politicians here (of all persuasions). They will change direction at the drop of a hat, as long as it smooths their progress (just like worms really).

dpb

It's been a fab rouse you have admit , get everyone hooked and then ,Wham, stick it to them big style , generate cash for mp's second homes etc

Bit left over for nhs

ditchmyster

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Personally always wondered how a great big black cloud of sooooot was healthier around people. hey ho they'll be telling us smoking is bad for you next.

Benzine is pretty nasty stuff too, mind how you go with that when filling up.

Dingdongler

The issue that's most worrying is the effect on second hand diesel values if measures are introduced. 2016 was a bumper year for car sales with iirc 75% bought on PCP.

If the values fall significantly then either the consumer or finance company will have a huge headache. (Not sure who as I'm not sure exactly how pcp works (

hodgy0_2

I think the Government have "broken the seal" so to speak on bringing in retrospective taxes

so I don't think that will be a blocker tbh

and yes re the ecological point - as a say in my linked post

the focus WAS on CO2 (for good reason), but has been trumped by NOX emissions

C'est la vie

dpb

Can imagine the turmoil when house prices drop away ( the house prices these people have borrowed against to fund their new diesel box)

Dingdongler

ditchmyster

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Mrs PCP'd her new car a year ago, 1.1 petrol vauxhall viva, she can either just hand back the keys, pay the final payment of about £4k or she has a guaranteed sum of around £1800 that can go towards another pcp deal, figures aren't exact as she did the deal and I can't remember the details, but it's in that ball park, it's related to the value of the car in 3yrs, which they gave her.

It's a good way to run around in a new car and it works out that she's saving a few quid over running around in a 10 year old £1/2k banger, no repairs to pay for and no capital outlay, tax is £20 no mot's and if she takes it easy no tyres to pay for either, costs her £2k a year including a service.

Fixed cost motoring, works for her and more to the point no hastle for me either.

Dingdongler

If that's how PCP works then it'll be the finance companies that have a headache should punitive retrospective measures be taken against diesel cars.

ditchmyster

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No doubt they have some sort of deal in place with the dealers where by they take the car back on a 50/50 split of the guaranteed future value, if you think about it the finance company make their money on the finance, dealers make their money on the original sale and subsequent 2nd hand sale probably with more finance attached to it, it's a merry, merry go round.

And lets face it people have been mugged off over diesels being better on fuel so they feel like it's cheaper to run, when the reality is you need to be doing 100k miles to achieve the break even point against the petrol equivalent.

ALi-B

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In about 5 to 6 years time when all petrol engine will have direct injection and Nox control systems. There will be a thread just like this about the unreliability and emissions of petrol engines. And lean-burn (stratified charge) engines produce a hell of a lot of NOx, so much so they run over 80% EGR and require Nox storage in the exhaust which has to purge and regenerate every so often (much like s DPF on a diesel).

NOx on diesel has been under control for a long time to satisfy refs for the USA and Japanese markets, catalysts, EGR cooling, low pressure EGR (after cat), high pressure EGR (before cat) flow monitoring, reductant additives blah blah. Meanwhile It's only starting to get serious on petrol engines, at a price of reliability.

Take the BMW N43 petrol unit equally if not more problematic that it's N47 diesel brother. It was so bad BMW stopped making it after only 4years whilst the N47 diesel is still in production.

Strangely N43 seizures, performance issues and emission control problems never made onto watchdog, but then neither did Subaru with their bombproof Pistons/big ends

So for me, yeah I'd wouldn't rule out buying a diesel, because if you think buying petrol automatically means you will get a reliable engine and automatic emissions compliance, well, that's just daft.

alcazar

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I have seen the future....and it's petrol.

The same people who got us all to buy diesels to "save the planet" have now decided that they are NOT saving the planet and now they are going to be banned from certain cities, Paris is one for a start, and others will follow.

Meanwhile, diesel lorries, trains etc aren't affected....

They have tried to reduce emissions further and further and tbh, diesel technology isn't keeping up. For every owner who SAYS he's had no problems, there's two who have, and they have been hit in the pocket big time. EGR, DPF, fuel pumps and now the VAG cheating.

So no...no more diesels.

ALi-B

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The consumer will pay the price either way.

Direct petrol injection (basically a diesel running on petrol) coupled with increased NOx control is the work of the devil. The end result is poor longevity and higher running costs.

So the future for me is whatever drives ok, less than three years old, still under manufactures warranty and is leased not purchased so it can be easily binned if it's a dog.

ditchmyster

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Mk1 Golf TD for me, old school very basic easy to work on and made from proper metal, once re-firbed will be good for another 30yrs, don't like cities so won't be going anywhere near one in it and no doubt there'll be an exemption for classic cars if I should change my mind.

dpb

Did i read VW will have compensate owners to tune 3k

bustaMOVEs

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While I laugh as I've never bought a diesel, never got sucked into it. Safe to say always had petrols and they have been fairly reliable too.

alanbell

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Ive had lots of diesels, 1 bmw 535, then Audi,s A5, A6, A7, 2 A8,s Then a S6, & S5, Now back with a remapped A8 TDI 2015 plate, 385 bhp standard as it is 410 bhp & around 900plus torque , it does go well, (For a diesel) And looks totally grown up, Like me ???? ha ha.

BurningSky

For me diesel works quite well but I have high milage. I have a civic 2.2, I'm pretty happy with it to be fair, it's got good poke and cos I went for a high milage 2nd hand model it was pretty cheap too.

gazney101

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i agree, petrol is the future, and I think it will go down the hcci route, I can't see direct injection spark ignition getting anymore efficient or less pollutant without getting unreliable. Hcci has been around for years but I think the only major r&d has been in f1 so we might see mercedes road cars with it first

john banks

Mazda 3 HCCI next year.

alcazar

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Me, I'm having a Tesla 90D

Not.............but I would if I had £82000 spare.

ALi-B

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Hopefully more reliable than their MZR-CD engine.

Doubt it though. Like most stuff these days (PETROL and Diesel)

On-the-bog

diesel isnt worth it now, shall be sacking mine off for a petrol soon

hodgy0_2

I think actually it is electric

I was talking to a colleague the other day who is trading in his Audi A3 TDI for a Tesla (the small one) he as a deposit down on it

he took me through the amazing technology - the fact that is has a linear power consumption, (i.e. the power from the battery delivers full power for as long as it can) it can get a half charge (enough for 150 odd miles) in 20 mins etc etc

I am sure some is marketing buff - but the technology will only get better and better

China are investing a staggering amount in new/clean energy - they see where the future is, and it is not in fossil fuels (petrol or diesel)