Ryanj1993

He's only made 5 posts, clearly a queless troll. Let him have his fun, he might wake up one day

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Maybe, the thing is the Scoob is a brilliant car, but things have moved on. Same with my SL....I love it, but I am under no illusions that the A45 would cain it in most real world situations. We should embrace both the old and the new.

Matteeboy

I getcha! And fair enough...

I do thing a well driven WR1 would be a pretty potent B road weapon but clearly it would get out-dragged by an A45 as would mine.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Sure the WR1 can still cover ground very quickly and to be honest the biggest difference would be the driver I reckon, but in pure performance terms the A45 is a step up!

Matteeboy

I'm a big fan of Subaru's drive train (we have a very mild version in ours); I do think "pro-active" 4WD is still a cut above Haldex on the absolute limit.

But the Merc has the power and the gearbox to punch harder in most places.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Yeah I am sure conditions and terrain would play a big part in which system is best on the day, but I also think things are moving at a pace on the whole package front.

Fifth Gear did a test a few years back when they took older models and newer models of certain cars and tested them back to back and the newer ones were substantially better despite the extra weight except for the Merc were they tested an E55 vs an E Class diesel (why I do not know), but even then they were very close.

Matteeboy

Well lap times keep tumbling so they must be getting quicker I guess.
I still think weight is a HUGE factor. I really struggled to shake of a vey well driven 106 GTi in my Golf R32 (twice the bhp) then deeply upset an RS6 Avant in the same car - shows how much weight matters regardless of power on tight (and therefore fun!) B roads!

GMC75

Actually new to the site so counting this six posts you tosser

Yes I will continue dreaming possibly wake up one day. I'm not new to Subaru scene. Just positing a comment that's all.

Matteeboy

I SOOOO nearly bought a WR1 a while back but needed a "proper" boot.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Methinks your stay here may well be a short one unless you a) stop calling people a tosser for no good reason and b) learn that your WR1 is a great car, but not capable of the times you claim!

HTH

Shaun

GMC75,
I have been a die hard Scooby nut. Just to put that in to context I used to co-own this very site and have owned a few Subaru's over the past 15yrs... with the last two being pretty well known within this community (full project threads are available to read) in respect of their performance levels. I'm only stating this to show some meaningful context to what I'm about to say.

There is no dispute (I suspect) that the Newage STI is a great performer and without doubt, is a mega bang for your buck. Previous to the A45 I owned a 500bhp JDM Hawkeye (2ltr) and previous to that, a 600+bhp JDM SPEC C. I have first hand experience of what these cars are capable of, both on the road and in competitive events.

I genuinely love STI's.

Whilst you may not agree, imo my A45 is leagues ahead (in many ways) than any of my previous Subaru's have been, in respect of usable performance on UK roads. On a track, things may be different (I would expect them to be).

Granted, my A45 is running just over 400 of each, but it's B road agility and sheer performance blows my previous STi's. The STi requires you to work much harder, to cover the same ground.... the A45 is more competent as a road car imo.

Many elements of my A45 on paper are so much better. The gearbox is quicker, the transmission doesn't consume as much torque (more power to the tarmac), the brakes are better..... the powerband is far better.

Looking at in-gear, through gear and standing start times, my A45 has performed (using Raeclogic VBOX timing equipment, with results which have been documented publicly) like this:

0-60mph in 3.7s (separate run to below figures, which was terminated at 70mph)
0-100mph in 8.75s (this was achieved on a 4.1s to 60 run - poor grip)
60-100mph in 4.65s
1/4m in 12.35 @ 116mph (this was achieved on a 4.1s to 60 run - poor grip)

I would expect the 0-100 and 1/4m times above to fall slightly, if hooked up with a decent 0-60 (as per the 3.7s achieved) conditions.

The 1/4m run above was with a gash 60ft time of 2.16s!!! That sort of indicates what this level of tune could be capable of, under the right conditions. The norm for the 45 is around 1.7-1.8 to 60ft, assuming good conditions. The 3.7s to 60mph was with much better grip, and I'm assuming the 60ft was around 1.7s on that occasion. Again, this alludes to a possible 0-100mph in 8.35 and 1/4m in 11.95s, under decent conditions.

The 60-100mph time shows the cars in-gear performance, when traction is of no concern. That is a very quick time.

The major benefit of a set-up like the A45, is that times (influenced by conditions) are repeatable time after time.

I would be genuinely interested in hearing the performance of your car, under the same disciplines. Verified VBOX data of course. (or drag tickets from Santa Pod or similar).

Straight line performance is one thing. I'm more interested in performance and agility on a challenging B road. IMO my A45 is measurable quicker and safer than my previous Scoobs in this discipline. Something I didn't think I would say if I'm being honest.

As an A to B muncher it is extremely competent.

Is it £38k worth? That is always going to be subjective, but as a total package for me, it is. It has got me back into driving for fun again.... which for me is priceless.

It does everything I want of it, with no quibble.

Matteeboy

Except a grown ups engine...

Ryanj1993

OOOOH someones got their nickers in a twist, probably from all that butt-hurt that your WR1 isnt as magnificent as you continue to believe. Agreed its a great car, but nothing compared to the A45, wake up.

Matteeboy

Sorry but that's lame ar53, childish nonsense.

Are you 12?

Ryanj1993

How? have you not read his posts, i agreed that its a great car (i almost bought one) but its nothing compared to what this thread is about...

Matteeboy

I have; just another enthusiast happy with his car.
But the "this car is better than that one" line is a bit silly.

The A45 is good in many ways but like any car, it hasits limits.
It's still a faux AWD, four pot hatch with a stuck on iPad and interior of dubious taste.
Just like mine is a tarted up one series with Daewoo quality sun blinds and funny looking front lights. Plus dodgy steering (as has any modern car except the STI and a few niche sports cars).

Ryanj1993

Which is fair enough, but to throw some figures out without evidence is ludicrous, then to throw an insult for disagreeing is also ridiculous.

The WR1 is an amazing drivers car, i love my impreza, and personally wouldn't rather an A45, but i am under no illusion the A45 would be quicker and probably a nicer place to be.

Every car has their downfall, its all about enjoying what you do have an respecting others for their personal decision, take me for example, i have a JDM hatch, most people hate the hatch, i love it.

No hard feelings, WR1 is awesome, just different league to A45 in many respects, not just performance (gadgets, price etc..)

Matteeboy

Agreed but I think a good B road is a great leveller.
I've been humbled by "slower" cars but also dished out a surprise "win" against faster stuff.

The WR1 does have light weight on its side as well as proper 4WD but those things are hard to prove. It's also a much more "analogue" car with a decent gearbox and steering which might not be faster but is often more fun. Oh and the water sprayed intercooler is just damn cool.

I think a sorted Spec C would do better though but they shake your teeth out.

Ryanj1993

Agreed, absolutely no hate for the WR1 from me, i love them! and as you said, being analogue to me makes it more fun to drive than flappy paddle, regardless of how fast im going

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

No one is having a go at the WR1, it's a great car. It's just in stock trim it cannot compete with an A45 acceleration wise and will never do 100mph in 10.6s unless it is chucked off a cliff! As a limited edition it is probably best that it is not chucked off a cliff... if it were a 2.5 hatch though

Matteeboy

I think that A45 is quicker than that to 100.
Because the M135i has been timed at 10.5 to 100...

Ryanj1993

Agreed! good job my hatch is a 2.0ltr then

donny andi

iTrader: (3)

Wr1 is the gayest Impreza ever....fact
Mine was over 400 but still left on the drive due to the colour.
At least I smashed mine up for making me drive it....that showed it

GMC75

Hence my outburst calling you a tosser. I'm obviously on the wrong forum

My figures are based on what prodrive achieved from this car

As for being left for dead Come on 40ish extra horsepower on a standard AMG against my standard WR1 not going to happen, i would say more of a creep past if anything, and the road long enough to do so.

I'm intrigued ( magic WR1 ) was this another special edition by Subaru.

GMC75

So all the figures used in current circulation for the WR1 are untrue?

The same could be said for the AMG?

I was in the car and behind was another car, he came up my **** pretty quickly, I had no idea what he wanted at the time, did he want to say hello? no idea? I pressed the go pedal thats it, we preceeded at very high speeds, not exceeding the 70mph limit though..... at know time could this other driver pull out and pass, leaving me for dead as suggested in a previous post? the road was two lanes with plenty of oppotunity to pass? did i dream this, will i wake up one day, who knows enough said

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

GMC75

Definitely on the wrong forum... How old are you Ffs!

stilover

By the sounds of it, Hello was a bit late!

zip106

Got to love SN - boyz arguing about whose 4 pot is best.
Newbie turns up giving it large then Mattee returns and it all kicks off....

lozgti1

None of them quicker than my Skoda

lol