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02 March 2015, 12:42 PM
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Is this the car?
http://www.cheshireperformance.co.uk...-white-fsh.htm
After reading the advert..to be honest aside from the fact it's on a dealer forecourt the car looks very clean and tidy..also the fact it's got a FSH with receipts to back up and one owner implies that it should be a very well looked after example.
You have to bear in mind dealers are only middle men in the cars ownership and it's really where the car's come from an previous ownership that you should be concerned about.
Cambelt service was carried out recently which also shows it hasn't been scrimped on.
At the end of the day you take a risk when buying a 2nd hand car whether you buy private or form the trade but the assumption is if your buying form a dealer the car should be bullet proof which is a bit of a misconception IMO.
Yes you would definitely be paying a premium on the price over a private sale and for that you would expect some form of warranty to cover the car for the initial period of ownership but I think you really need to look at a car on it's own merits to decide whether its a good car and not the fact it's being sold by a dealer even if there reputation is not great.
I would personally do as much ground work on the car as possible including asking them for the previous owners details to contact them to verify the history on the car as it is only a one owner which should mean the history is easily traceable.
Also take it on a long test drive and maybe even to a local Subaru Indi to get a 2nd opinion on the car..even if it meas you pay a little for it your spending alot of money on the car so it's assurance for you. If this is not possible then at the least you should take it to a reputable MOT station to carry a test out to bring up any major potential issues...for the sake of £45 its worth it IMO.
At the end of the day if the dealer wants a sale and knows your serious buyer in a position to close a deal with the funds ready they should be as accommodating as possible in helping you to decide if the cars right for you.
Once you've done all this and are sure you want to buy the car you will also be in a much firmer position to strike a deal and maybe get a good discount as they will know your a serious buyer.
Yes it will cost you a few quid to carry out the research etc but it's money well spent if you end up with a good honest car out of it all..and as you say it's a rare example too.
Just my opinions of course..best of luck whatever you choose to do.
http://www.cheshireperformance.co.uk...-white-fsh.htm
After reading the advert..to be honest aside from the fact it's on a dealer forecourt the car looks very clean and tidy..also the fact it's got a FSH with receipts to back up and one owner implies that it should be a very well looked after example.
You have to bear in mind dealers are only middle men in the cars ownership and it's really where the car's come from an previous ownership that you should be concerned about.
Cambelt service was carried out recently which also shows it hasn't been scrimped on.
At the end of the day you take a risk when buying a 2nd hand car whether you buy private or form the trade but the assumption is if your buying form a dealer the car should be bullet proof which is a bit of a misconception IMO.
Yes you would definitely be paying a premium on the price over a private sale and for that you would expect some form of warranty to cover the car for the initial period of ownership but I think you really need to look at a car on it's own merits to decide whether its a good car and not the fact it's being sold by a dealer even if there reputation is not great.
I would personally do as much ground work on the car as possible including asking them for the previous owners details to contact them to verify the history on the car as it is only a one owner which should mean the history is easily traceable.
Also take it on a long test drive and maybe even to a local Subaru Indi to get a 2nd opinion on the car..even if it meas you pay a little for it your spending alot of money on the car so it's assurance for you. If this is not possible then at the least you should take it to a reputable MOT station to carry a test out to bring up any major potential issues...for the sake of £45 its worth it IMO.
At the end of the day if the dealer wants a sale and knows your serious buyer in a position to close a deal with the funds ready they should be as accommodating as possible in helping you to decide if the cars right for you.
Once you've done all this and are sure you want to buy the car you will also be in a much firmer position to strike a deal and maybe get a good discount as they will know your a serious buyer.
Yes it will cost you a few quid to carry out the research etc but it's money well spent if you end up with a good honest car out of it all..and as you say it's a rare example too.
Just my opinions of course..best of luck whatever you choose to do.
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02 March 2015, 01:04 PM
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If you can get the car checked over by a specialist and it's OK, I don't think you are at any more risk than buying privately. If you can take the warranty as none, and the car is decent, I don't think a white wide track would be that much cheaper elsewhere, you will always pay a premium for this colour.
The dealer is known to have a bad reputation, but if the car is clean and you don't mind paying a premium for the colour and non existent warranty then it might not be as bad as everyone is making out?
I think buying off any dealer is risky and good luck finding an honest one.
Good luck in your purchase though. I bought similar privately and had a full check over by a specialist after my purchase, only after that did I really enjoy driving it. I guess a lot of enjoyment comes from peace of mind.
The dealer is known to have a bad reputation, but if the car is clean and you don't mind paying a premium for the colour and non existent warranty then it might not be as bad as everyone is making out?
I think buying off any dealer is risky and good luck finding an honest one.
Good luck in your purchase though. I bought similar privately and had a full check over by a specialist after my purchase, only after that did I really enjoy driving it. I guess a lot of enjoyment comes from peace of mind.
02 March 2015, 01:10 PM
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So, having just spoken to Ed (again he referred to the "Boss" whilst I was on the call) the outcome is....
I've been mugged.
I apologised that I had changed my mind and that I called them at my earliest opportunity this morning. They say they are not willing to refund the deposit as the other interested party (non existent by the way, imo) has decided to revoke his interest as he now has suspicions as to why I have pulled out.
I was polite, reasonable and asked if they would meet me half way and refund £250. In their defence, I have test driven the vehicle, paid a deposit and have now changed my mind.
We discussed their previous court case, flaky directorship details on Companies House, hoax sale tactics and dire reputation etc, etc. Ed seemed rather upset, shouty and didnt seem to share the same views as Scoobynet. I've welcomed him to read these posts and get back to me by 1 oclock with a solution. This hasnt been forthcoming and its safe to say...
DO NOT BUY FROM CHESHIRE PERFORMANCE CARS - THEIR STAFF ARE NASTY, UNREASONABLE, CONMEN.
I will be following it up with them after seeking legal advice. I didn't sign any paperwork to confirm that the sum paid was for a deposit. Nor did the car have trade plates on during the test drive (assume insurance was therefore invalid?).
In the meantime, i'll keep my eye out for a nice example, do my research and i'll probably still be better off than if I had gone through with this transaction.
Hard lesson learnt - yes. But it could have been much, much worse.
I've been mugged.
I apologised that I had changed my mind and that I called them at my earliest opportunity this morning. They say they are not willing to refund the deposit as the other interested party (non existent by the way, imo) has decided to revoke his interest as he now has suspicions as to why I have pulled out.
I was polite, reasonable and asked if they would meet me half way and refund £250. In their defence, I have test driven the vehicle, paid a deposit and have now changed my mind.
We discussed their previous court case, flaky directorship details on Companies House, hoax sale tactics and dire reputation etc, etc. Ed seemed rather upset, shouty and didnt seem to share the same views as Scoobynet. I've welcomed him to read these posts and get back to me by 1 oclock with a solution. This hasnt been forthcoming and its safe to say...
DO NOT BUY FROM CHESHIRE PERFORMANCE CARS - THEIR STAFF ARE NASTY, UNREASONABLE, CONMEN.
I will be following it up with them after seeking legal advice. I didn't sign any paperwork to confirm that the sum paid was for a deposit. Nor did the car have trade plates on during the test drive (assume insurance was therefore invalid?).
In the meantime, i'll keep my eye out for a nice example, do my research and i'll probably still be better off than if I had gone through with this transaction.
Hard lesson learnt - yes. But it could have been much, much worse.
02 March 2015, 01:28 PM
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There might be loophole with the deposit....
If it was to commit to buy - then it is non-refundable, but if it was to hold a car whilst you chew on the facts and figures before making a rushed decision then a refund of the deposit is/should be acceptable.
Plus sorry to hear. Never nice losing a monkey
If it was to commit to buy - then it is non-refundable, but if it was to hold a car whilst you chew on the facts and figures before making a rushed decision then a refund of the deposit is/should be acceptable.
Plus sorry to hear. Never nice losing a monkey
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02 March 2015, 01:33 PM
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I'll be the first to say I'm gutted for you mate..it may only be a small loss by comparision to having shelled out for the whole car but £500 is still a big dent in anyone's pocket so I feel for you fella.
The worst thing about it is as I said before..the car itself seems like a good proposition on the face of it and now this whole scenario has I'm sure left a sour taste in your mouth regarding the whole thing.
I know it's hard..but I would not write the car off yet especially as you've already shelled out the deposit now..you should maybe think it over before taking any action on them and try and block out the fact your buying it from them and look at the car for it's merits..
If it is a good car you'll soon forget about this whole situation once your enjoying ownership of it.
Shame they have this attitude towards you as I'm sure they would rather see the car sold than not.
The worst thing about it is as I said before..the car itself seems like a good proposition on the face of it and now this whole scenario has I'm sure left a sour taste in your mouth regarding the whole thing.
I know it's hard..but I would not write the car off yet especially as you've already shelled out the deposit now..you should maybe think it over before taking any action on them and try and block out the fact your buying it from them and look at the car for it's merits..
If it is a good car you'll soon forget about this whole situation once your enjoying ownership of it.
Shame they have this attitude towards you as I'm sure they would rather see the car sold than not.
02 March 2015, 01:35 PM
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If I havent signed anything then surely I cant have committed to buy?
He's assuming that I knew that the deposit was non refundable and also assuming that I knew the terms surrounding this deposit.
My wife used to work in litigation and has several contacts on the Solicitors scene. Pretty sure we're in good hands.
He's assuming that I knew that the deposit was non refundable and also assuming that I knew the terms surrounding this deposit.
My wife used to work in litigation and has several contacts on the Solicitors scene. Pretty sure we're in good hands.
02 March 2015, 01:39 PM
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If I havent signed anything then surely I cant have committed to buy?
He's assuming that I knew that the deposit was non refundable and also assuming that I knew the terms surrounding this deposit.
My wife used to work in litigation and has several contacts on the Solicitors scene. Pretty sure we're in good hands.
He's assuming that I knew that the deposit was non refundable and also assuming that I knew the terms surrounding this deposit.
My wife used to work in litigation and has several contacts on the Solicitors scene. Pretty sure we're in good hands.
02 March 2015, 01:41 PM
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The didn't even ask to see my drivers license or ID.
I'm well aware of the fact that the car could well be fine. Its the garage thats the problem. I'd expect to pay £10.5k for the car AND at least some peace of mind. Peace of mind is something that I certainly wouldn't have.
I'm well aware of the fact that the car could well be fine. Its the garage thats the problem. I'd expect to pay £10.5k for the car AND at least some peace of mind. Peace of mind is something that I certainly wouldn't have.
02 March 2015, 01:46 PM
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I'm pretty sure they will give you the deposit back,they have to as nothing was documented they didn't inform you it was non refundable.Also they don't do well in court and know the court costs will be on them!
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02 March 2015, 01:55 PM
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How ironic the thread title has turned out to be! I'll be typing a letter tonight and getting it vetted by a Solicitor (also a friend). In the meantime I'd be happy to hear of any other information that you think may be useful for me to know, actions to take etc etc.
I'm certainly glad that I didnt return to the garage yesterday with my log book for the trade in vehicle and drive it away yesterday. I'd be having kittens now if I had.
I'm certainly glad that I didnt return to the garage yesterday with my log book for the trade in vehicle and drive it away yesterday. I'd be having kittens now if I had.
02 March 2015, 02:14 PM
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If they refuse to give you all of your money back then threaten to tell the local press about their underhand sales tactics. It was obviously a set up now that the other buyer all of a sudden doesn't want the car. Ha, may be he has read this thread too! 
Get him to come on here and explain himself. I can't wait for this one.
They could avoid all this start to trade honestly but we all know that they will never do this. So I hope one day, sooner rather than later, trading standard will close them down for good.
Get him to come on here and explain himself. I can't wait for this one.
They could avoid all this start to trade honestly but we all know that they will never do this. So I hope one day, sooner rather than later, trading standard will close them down for good.
02 March 2015, 02:22 PM
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Tbh after reading about this company the way I see it is the car needs to be out checked thoroughly and then make your decision.
It seems if there is a problem further down the road you're on your own exactly as if you bought it privately. There are no guarantees any car is good but in the case of this of this company forget a dealers premium as they are just not worth it and treat them as if you were buying privately.
As for the deposit I'm afraid you have probably kissed that goodbye if you do pull out but we all live and learn especially when money is involved.
It seems if there is a problem further down the road you're on your own exactly as if you bought it privately. There are no guarantees any car is good but in the case of this of this company forget a dealers premium as they are just not worth it and treat them as if you were buying privately.
As for the deposit I'm afraid you have probably kissed that goodbye if you do pull out but we all live and learn especially when money is involved.
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02 March 2015, 02:26 PM
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Tbh after reading about this company the way I see it is the car needs to be out checked thoroughly and then make your decision.
It seems if there is a problem further down the road you're on your own exactly as if you bought it privately. There are no guarantees any car is good but in the case of this of this company forget a dealers premium as they are just not worth it and treat them as if you were buying privately.
It seems if there is a problem further down the road you're on your own exactly as if you bought it privately. There are no guarantees any car is good but in the case of this of this company forget a dealers premium as they are just not worth it and treat them as if you were buying privately.
02 March 2015, 02:42 PM
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Putting the car itself aside - given their sales hoax (imo) and tone of the conversation I had with them earlier today I can safely say that I do not want to do business with them.
Checking the directorship history on companies house is quite amusing too. I deal with small businesses day in day out and am very familiar with how good and bad businesses operate. I'm looking forward to gaining a little more insight once they have filed their first years accounts in the very near future.
Checking the directorship history on companies house is quite amusing too. I deal with small businesses day in day out and am very familiar with how good and bad businesses operate. I'm looking forward to gaining a little more insight once they have filed their first years accounts in the very near future.
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02 March 2015, 02:43 PM
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Have you actually checked the link I posted and investigated the protection you get with a debit card? Spoken to your bank?
Your 'deposit' was to hold the car while you made up your mind. Just remember that.
Didnt Ed agree to your deposit refund this morning? Shame you didnt record it, although not admissable in court, it would definitely be a bargaining tool.
Sad to say, but i expected this.
and I agree, the peace of mind is what you are paying a premium for, and as you have seen, you dont get that with Cheshire Performance.
Your 'deposit' was to hold the car while you made up your mind. Just remember that.
Didnt Ed agree to your deposit refund this morning? Shame you didnt record it, although not admissable in court, it would definitely be a bargaining tool.
Sad to say, but i expected this.
and I agree, the peace of mind is what you are paying a premium for, and as you have seen, you dont get that with Cheshire Performance.
02 March 2015, 02:47 PM
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I've looked into the link regarding the debit card protection. Its a no go, I willingly entered my pin at the end of the day. Its as good as cash.
I'll give my bank a call later and let them know. I'd be very surprised if there is anything that they could do.
I'll give my bank a call later and let them know. I'd be very surprised if there is anything that they could do.
02 March 2015, 02:52 PM
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can't you ask them to pay for an independant inspection on the car out of the deposit money ?
at the end of the day its the car you wanted before coming on here you would have had it by now.
i'm not defending them by any means but surely every car they have can't be bad.
p.s. if you do buy it take them stupid mud flaps off
at the end of the day its the car you wanted before coming on here you would have had it by now.
i'm not defending them by any means but surely every car they have can't be bad.
p.s. if you do buy it take them stupid mud flaps off
02 March 2015, 02:53 PM
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*sighs*
Cheshire Performance Strikes Again.
I suggest changing the title of this thread to include Cheshire Performance so that others can see it when researching the dealer.
I feel you where under duress when you paid the deposit by the sales tactics from the company, they pressured you into the sale...remember that as well
Cheshire Performance Strikes Again.
I suggest changing the title of this thread to include Cheshire Performance so that others can see it when researching the dealer.
I feel you where under duress when you paid the deposit by the sales tactics from the company, they pressured you into the sale...remember that as well
02 March 2015, 02:56 PM
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call them back and say you are thinking of informing the police as nothing was agreed and signed for therefore they have more or less stolen £500 from your account.. it wasn't down in writing as a holding deposit.
goes to show that the other non existent buyer was a set up on your behalf just to get you to go for it, tell them that you will inform the police about that also
goes to show that the other non existent buyer was a set up on your behalf just to get you to go for it, tell them that you will inform the police about that also
02 March 2015, 02:58 PM
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You sound pretty clued up so how the hell did you fall for the 'other buyer' hoax. 
Sorry, I shouldn't laugh but I can't help myself. As Fat Thomas said, take it as a lesson and your punishment for being so dense!
Sorry, I shouldn't laugh but I can't help myself. As Fat Thomas said, take it as a lesson and your punishment for being so dense!
02 March 2015, 03:03 PM
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call them back and say you are thinking of informing the police as nothing was agreed and signed for therefore they have more or less stolen £500 from your account.. it wasn't down in writing as a holding deposit.
goes to show that the other non existent buyer was a set up on your behalf just to get you to go for it, tell them that you will inform the police about that also
goes to show that the other non existent buyer was a set up on your behalf just to get you to go for it, tell them that you will inform the police about that also
)But on a civil suit, nothing in writing, and they are 'refusing to refund money from a holding deposit while you checked your finances and possible loan options'. That is the key line in all of this. They cant prove otherwise because they didn't have any paperwork signed.
Also, find out what car Mike or Ed drive, do the tyres and each panel with a nice big scratch. Cause more than the £500 they cost you if all fails
02 March 2015, 03:17 PM
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Anyone know how I update the thread title?
Hope that this won't be removed by the mods for any reason. Don't see why it should. Think it would be a good read for anyone else looking to buy from a dealer.
Morale of the story - research first.
Think i'll post a link up on some of the other associated forums. They had some other performance cars (Civic Type R, Ford Focus / Mondeo ST's) in the lock up to so I'd hate someone else to get stung by their sales hoax.
Hope that this won't be removed by the mods for any reason. Don't see why it should. Think it would be a good read for anyone else looking to buy from a dealer.
Morale of the story - research first.
Think i'll post a link up on some of the other associated forums. They had some other performance cars (Civic Type R, Ford Focus / Mondeo ST's) in the lock up to so I'd hate someone else to get stung by their sales hoax.
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02 March 2015, 03:48 PM
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Haha i know!
I dont get how these companys can still trade and how they are still going with poor service/products.
Always worth a quick online search nowadays to see who your actually dealing with!
I dont get how these companys can still trade and how they are still going with poor service/products.
Always worth a quick online search nowadays to see who your actually dealing with!
02 March 2015, 03:51 PM
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Isnt there anything you can do as you was pressured into leaving a deposit?? Banks got into trouble years ago for pressuring customers into taking out PPI, isnt this the same sort of thing, using scare tactics into buying something you havent done any research into.
Good luck in the search for a new car mate
Good luck in the search for a new car mate