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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by lordharding
I'm on my 4th iPhone now and they all still work
2 are lying gathering dust and will do for cheap phones to take in holiday with
The iPhone 6plus 64 is amazing bit if kit and worth every penny to me as I haven't used my reading glasses since Xmas day it's just that but bigger the screen for me

Im using my iPhone 6 as much as my original iPad now

What I like about them is they are so easy to use and ultra reliable in 7 years not one problem with them compared to all my friends with Samsung ,blackberry etc which are always developing problems ,that worth a premium price alone
Quality and reliability

I never even consider the price of apple as I know it's a premium product which works well ,looks good and have the right image

My original iPad is going well after 4years and will be replaced with the new top of the range model as soon as it eventually dies

My work mates samsungs and budget makes are slow and unreliable and not user friendy
But cheap and it works out more expensive in the long term

Sweat shop in Asia
It's life I'm afraid they are creating work and a living wage for many thousands if people overseas

With our the factories apple have what would these people do
Not work and starve ?
There is no benefits system in Asia.
Same as all products from clothing to electronics it creates employment and a chance to survive and creats many jobs all over the world from sales ,admin and distribution


The apple watch
Well I'm looking forward to it
Don't really care about the Price as I know it will work and compliment my iPhone and iPad amd I'm sure the misses will want one as well
Balanced good post.
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 11:12 PM
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Carnut, you should consider not commenting on technology, it's not your bag man.
thats why I posted it in NSR but the mods moved it, it was about the business, not the tech.
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 11:17 PM
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But i feel the same way about the same people who go out and pay an extra 10k for a 3 series BM over a like for like Mondeo. (Obviously Ford don't offer a like for like of the M3 so just LIKE FOR LIKE)

But this thread isn't about how good the tech is, thats why I posted it in NSR before the mods moved it.. If they make great things then I'm happy people are so content in their fake worlds (I'm not really happy for them ) i personal would rather buy some fishing gear for example.

I just don't get how people are impressed by a company of this size. ISIS are very good at terrorism but I don't respect them for it, or say good on them, hats off, although governments should show some respect for them.

It's not Apple meeting demand, it's Apple creating demand and people are lining their pockets.

Incidentally, I was given a iPhone 5 from my brother and gave it back, what the **** do I need all that for.
By simply reading my posts a chap of your level of life experience and intelligence should realise that I'm not easily impressed or a crowd follower, so please drop the condescending tone and suggestion that I somehow live in a fake world. I live on top of a decent sized hill in the Mountain Region of Istria Croatia for many reasons, mostly related to society and the people in it.

What I am is un-impressed by windows products, in fact I'd go as far as to say I'm an extremely disgruntled EX customer, having spent thousands on their products.

I couldn't give a crap about the "Hype" as it means nothing to me and I stopped following "Fashion" 30 years ago.

All I care about is that it does the job I want it to, THE END and my MacBook AIR does exactly that.
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by lordharding
Wow

Does you fishing gear come from china or do you but the preumium uk manufactured ones

You should of took the iPhone 5 it would of transformed your life
I even threw out my Filofax after 20 years of heavy usage
Maybe. If someone posted a thread on how a company thats sells rods was making billions then my reaction would of be "****ing hell, I buy them the robbing *******s, maybe they should give me two next time."

I agree somethings are a necessary evil but it doesn't mean we have to like it and be happy for said evil.

Not saying Apple are evil, that's a very strong word.
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
By simply reading my posts a chap of your level of life experience and intelligence should realise that I'm not easily impressed or a crowd follower, so please drop the condescending tone and suggestion that I somehow live in a fake world. I live on top of a decent sized hill in the Mountain Region of Istria Croatia for many reasons, mostly related to society and the people in it.

What I am is un-impressed by windows products, in fact I'd go as far as to say I'm an extremely disgruntled EX customer, having spent thousands on their products.

I couldn't give a crap about the "Hype" as it means nothing to me and I stopped following "Fashion" 30 years ago.

All I care about is that it does the job I want it to, THE END and my MacBook AIR does exactly that.
Sorry ditch.
I appreciate that I had quoted one of your post but that comment wasn't for you.
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Originally Posted by Carnut
Sorry ditch.
I appreciate that I had quoted one of your post but that comment wasn't for you.
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PS; Carnut.

I love a spot of fishing, Carp, Mackerel,Pollock and Sea bass are my personal favourites, well TBH the sea fishing tends to be for Mackerel but I have unwittingly caught quite a few pollock and half a dozen or so Sea bass over the years, which led me to setting up a spare rod for the purpose.

I have a nice pair of Gray's for Carping.
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Ditch,
Well..... you took that one hook, line and sinker!!!

Whilst there was an element of saying the "dummies" thing, tongue in cheek, it was factual to a degree.... which you have picked up on. Quite a few Apple devices tend to "just work". Having an element of lock down of the environment certainly helps to enable that.

Technology is intrinsic to everyone's lives, so we should all be interested...... it's in our interest! I know what you mean though.

In respect to what I seem incapable of understanding - you're getting as bad as the others around here, generalising and assuming. I'm acutely aware of the gap between skills and device use.... trust me.

Any development or solution deployment that I'm responsible for, must provide exactly what the customer wants (as agreed), in a robust and supported environment.

I ensure that the user can "just get on with it". Strangely enough this is all done within the Windows environment. Like I was alluding to initially...... it's not Windows or MS that is the problem.

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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
It's all about the 128, I had a 32gb 3GS. The 16gb is still sold for special use cases.
£789 for a phone that cost Apple £200 or so to make? You're bonkers!

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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 10:53 AM
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Anyone who spends that kind of money on a phone where you can't change the battery or expand the memory needs their head testing, we live in a world of expandable storage, well apart Apple and their iPhones.
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 12:16 PM
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For starters many many people buy phones "on contract", so pay no where near the RRP for an unlocked phone.

I have NEVER ran out of space on my iphones, although I have gradually increased capacity with each upgrade..... but that's what the range of capacities are for.

I have NEVER had a problem with batteries failing.

So.... why on earth would these features interest me, when I have never had any NEED for them!?

Individuals experiences will vary obviously, but like most things in life, one cap does not fit all, all of the time.
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 12:33 PM
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I'm fairly certain Apple users *did* pay rrp even within the contract


Slightly. Different last few years
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 12:39 PM
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I paid in full. Ebayed my iPhone 5s, got half back. Bargain.
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 12:41 PM
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When on contract, you're normally tied in for a period of time, usually 18 months, so over that period you will find in certain cases you will actually pay even more than the phone's RRP than had you bought the phone sim free and put it on sim only plan of the same features.

I would have run out of space had my iPhone been 16GB and I had to replace the battery on it too. Not to mention all the issues I've had updating it through iOS 6 to iOS 7 (crashing apps, excessive battery drain, phone rebooting itself, connectivity issues). Like you say, everyone's experiences are different, and for me I've had my fair share of problems, but of course I could have easily have suffered the same with another phone. Having said that my previous phones, a Blackberry 9860 and 9780 were both rock solid devices with no issues and long battery life. Shame RIM/Blackberry dropped the ball and didn't see where the market was going. My iPhone is currently on iOS 7.1.2 and don't intend to upgrade to 8.x base on my previous upgrade experience and reports on the Web as it now stands, my iPhone "just works".
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 12:48 PM
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I'm fairly certain Apple users *did* pay rrp even within the contract


Slightly. Different last few years
Of course we all pay RRP but there is a mile of difference between an unlocked handset with no contract, versus buying a phone as part of a contract "upgrade".
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 12:50 PM
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I paid in full. Ebayed my iPhone 5s, got half back. Bargain.
That's the flipside..... buy dear, sell dear.

I banged out a scabby iPhone 4 last year and got just under £100 for it........ straight away.
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 01:24 PM
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A couple of years back my wife said she wanted a iPhone, so as you do to shut them up I went to the store and the contract for the iPhone was lets say £40 a month for 200mins and whatever texts. For the same amount each month but getting a Samsung you got for the same price an extra 200mins or whatever.
So although both phones were free with a 18/24 month contract you payed more to make calls and got less minutes on the iPhone, over that period you would be spending quite a bit more than the next best and I would of thought the next best would have more than you need. They're just a luxury I suppose, not sure why a phone became one of lifes luxuries though.

To add, my dad is on his 3rd iPhone in a year due to the battery, think the 5 or 5s if thats right. Most people I've spoken to do say they are more reliable than most though.
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As said, we're all different, but for me a smartphone is not a luxury. It's intrinsic to my way of life and work nowadays.
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Used to be just a telephone

Hey ho...crazy world
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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 01:33 PM
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It still is to some. Whereas others treat it like a Borg implant (myself included)!
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Having the option to to pop in a spare, fully charged battery is essential in this day and age especially with phones having full HD video, music players, radio amongst other battery draining features.

Ive been to Rally GB a couple of times, it's a long day especially when you have left the car to walk to the stages, your basically on your own then as far as the power in your phone goes because as far as i'm aware i havn't noticed any tree charging ports as yet.

Whilst on the stages i used WRC radio, i also took HD footage. After a few hours of doing that you won't have much life left in your battery, if any. It's great being able to take out a battery that's run out then popping in a fully charged one.

It's the same when your on your holidays, sometimes you go miles away from where your staying for the day and having a spare battery doesn't half come in handy. The same with extra storage because if your away for a couple of weeks on holiday you'll soon rack up some big files if your doing HD video.

I'm not bothered what any apple fan boy says, they are miles behind the rest in flexibilty and expandability. It's each to their own when it comes to a phone and a phone is just a phone to me but i like the option of being able to change things like having a bigger memory card if i need one or being able to change a battery when their isn't anywhere to charge the one that's about to run out. The amount they charge doesn't add up to me when they are quite restricted in certain key areas.
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Kerching...
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Rob,
Stop making statements that are a matter of fact..... when they simply are not absolute fact. A fully charged battery is not essential in this day and age!

I don't need to swap batteries out on my phone, and I know sure for **** I'm not the only one.

It may matter to you, and may be a key factor on your device decision. Fine. Each to their own, but don't make your requirements the be and end all for everyone, as they simply are not.

This has nothing to do with being or not being an Apple fanboy.
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Ditch,
Well..... you took that one hook, line and sinker!!!

Whilst there was an element of saying the "dummies" thing, tongue in cheek, it was factual to a degree.... which you have picked up on. Quite a few Apple devices tend to "just work". Having an element of lock down of the environment certainly helps to enable that.

Technology is intrinsic to everyone's lives, so we should all be interested...... it's in our interest! I know what you mean though.

In respect to what I seem incapable of understanding - you're getting as bad as the others around here, generalising and assuming. I'm acutely aware of the gap between skills and device use.... trust me.

Any development or solution deployment that I'm responsible for, must provide exactly what the customer wants (as agreed), in a robust and supported environment.

I ensure that the user can "just get on with it". Strangely enough this is all done within the Windows environment. Like I was alluding to initially...... it's not Windows or MS that is the problem.
Not so much hook, line and sinker but because I totally agree, not making assumptions either, it's just the way it is, people like yourself that work in the field find it very easy to resolve what in your eyes are very simple issues and quite often possibly caused by the dummy pressing the buttons.

Technology for me is a bit like a fat bird with a great personality, I enjoy her company and indeed quite like her, much like technology I embrace her, I just don't want to get into bed and hump.

As for the support aspect, all well and good when in a work environment and you have tech support but not much use to me out here in the middle of nowhere, since I switched to Apple I've not needed any support.

To me the Apple and Microsoft thing is a bit like Betamax and VHS, VHS took off because it was cheaper and more films were available, maybe had better marketing too (I can't remember) but Betamax was better quality.

It's taken Apple a while to get their 'Mass Marketing' head on and find their angle as it were, but now they are the choice of millions, partly due to aesthetics but mostly due to the fact that their products just get on with it and do what it says on the tin, I know for some technophiles they fall down in certain areas but your average Joe is not aware of their failings due either to lack of knowledge / use or lack of interest.

Also in my experience it is Windows and Microsoft that's the problem because I have eliminated them from my life and am now in computing heaven.

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Having the option to to pop in a spare, fully charged battery is essential in this day and age especially with phones having full HD video, music players, radio amongst other battery draining features.
Just get a portable power pack - more flexiblity too as it can be used for charging up multiple devices
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Just get a portable power pack - more flexiblity too as it can be used for charging up multiple devices
Exactly, why waste money on a battery that can only be used with one phone. You can get batteries that will charge an iPhone multiple times for peanuts. Storage, same thing, buy external or upload your ****.

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The storage thing with an iPhone has always been a stupid argument. I've easily managed with 16gb and the main reason being is that every once in a while I will put my photo's onto my computer and delete them off my phone. People who complain about the storage have thousands of pictures and hundreds of albums on their phone. There is no need! Just manage your storage better, stop hoarding and stop being lazy. IMO, 32GB is ample for a phone.
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Originally Posted by Shaun
As said, we're all different, but for me a smartphone is not a luxury. It's intrinsic to my way of life and work nowadays.
Are but you need one because others need one and you all need them together. If nobody needed one in the first place then no one would need one.

My dad does the same job he's done for about 40 years and it's only recently he now needs a smart phone, nothing works better, if anything he feels it make things harder but I suppose that will JUST apply to him.

I think its funny, you lot create the demand for the phones and tech then tell everyone you need them ****ing idiots. In fact most the people that "need" them work in the tech industry and only need them to fix them and create more.
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I need mine so I can make things better and faster.
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Originally Posted by Carnut
I think its funny, you lot create the demand for the phones and tech then tell everyone you need them ****ing idiots. In fact most the people that "need" them work in the tech industry and only need them to fix them and create more.

Carnut,
Come over here..... come on, it's not all that bad in the "real world".
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