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Old Sep 28, 2014 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by chocolate_o_brian
Ah, didn't know he was working on the big re-line project. Was it one of the 'bricks' that fell mate?
No, a lump of concrete about 18" x 10" x 4" fell from the underside of the staging above.

He's done with that now, starts back at uni in Hull tomorrow.
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Old Sep 28, 2014 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
No, a lump of concrete about 18" x 10" x 4" fell from the underside of the staging above.

He's done with that now, starts back at uni in Hull tomorrow.
Ah, follow you now. How come it's Hull? Thought it was Loughborough for the entirety of his studies?
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Old Sep 28, 2014 | 07:23 PM
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Transferred to Hull. Didn't make the cut at Loughborough, dropped down by 2 points on his Physics, unfortunately.

The tuition leaves a LOT to be desired...the physics tutors seem to have been Sheldon Cooper clones: brilliant, but teachers? Never.
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Old Sep 28, 2014 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by john banks
Not sure I understand the question.
I just wondered why you were making a pitch for a pay-at-use health care service. I thought perhaps that some form of market discipline might have been imposed on you to try and minimise non-attendance; what is/was a largely invisible social problem is dropped into your lap as a 'real' financial issue. Some would think that non-attendance was invented in the UK when the health service was nationalised.

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For permanently registered patients, we see patients who have moved out of our area who are still registered and then advise them to register in their new area, and we also see patients the day they register. Some other practices will not see patients in either situation, which we consider unhelpful. Some patients at university come "home" to see us as temporary residents as they cannot get an appointment at their university GP. This tends not to work well as we don't have the history, records, medications, allergies. It would work if they were genuinely staying temporarily in the area and became acutely unwell.
Interesting. I was told to register in a new area even though I informed the practice that it was just a temporary move. I'd been with the practice since a child (except when I was living overseas).
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Old Sep 28, 2014 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
What does that mean exactly? Where is this utopian 'market' in health care you wish us to emulate?
I mean if you look at the direction of travel with these "free" un-means tested benefits, they will eventually disappear, granted the NHS is a sacred cow

But it will happen - it simply cannot stand up to the "affordability" test

It will start with a flat fee to see a GP (to those who can afford it - the problem being is deciding the level at which people can "afford" it)

Then move to paying a daily "board and lodging" fee at a hospital (they are not hotels after all)

Then with the "seal" broken - all bets are off
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Old Sep 28, 2014 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
I mean if you look at the direction of travel with these "free" un-means tested benefits, they will eventually disappear, granted the NHS is a sacred cow

But it will happen - it simply cannot stand up to the "affordability" test

It will start with a flat fee to see a GP (to those who can afford it - the problem being is deciding the level at which people can "afford" it)

Then move to paying a daily "board and lodging" fee at a hospital (they are not hotels after all)

Then with the "seal" broken - all bets are off
Perhaps, but I reject that this is because of some discovery of science.
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Old Sep 28, 2014 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Perhaps, but I reject that this is because of some discovery of science.
Sure, but I am not sure i related it to science or indeed it's discovery
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Old Sep 28, 2014 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
No, a lump of concrete about 18" x 10" x 4" fell from the underside of the staging above.

He's done with that now, starts back at uni in Hull tomorrow.


So is he ok now or does he need further treatment?
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Old Sep 29, 2014 | 10:32 AM
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I love the NHS. Hurt my shoulder on Friday evening, no way I'm going to A&E on a Friday night so went in at 8am, was out having been x-rayed and advised at 10am. Last time I went to A&E I was on an operating table the next day, awesome service and price.
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Old Sep 29, 2014 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
So is he ok now or does he need further treatment?
Got some painkillers...Naproxen???

Taking those, but still having discomfort round the neck/shoulder area, and tingling/pins and needles down his left arm.

Back at uni now, so will register there.
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Old Sep 29, 2014 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Got some painkillers...Naproxen???

Taking those, but still having discomfort round the neck/shoulder area, and tingling/pins and needles down his left arm.

Back at uni now, so will register there.


Not being funny mate but once you'd been given the all clear in terms of significant injury was it beyond you to walk into a pharmacy and buy some?

Ibuprofen, Codeine etc are all available over the counter.

So the NHS is crap because you two couldn't manage to go and buy some painkillers?
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Old Sep 29, 2014 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Both wanted him to go to A&E...but he was in no state to go and sit on a hard chair for four hours to get painkillers. And anyway, aren't the governmenet trying to STOP folk going to A&E needlessly???
Oh no, not a hard chair, if he was indeed in great pain and the only way to stop that pain was to sit in a hard chair, he would have sat in that hard chair till the pain stopped.
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Old Sep 30, 2014 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
Not being funny mate but once you'd been given the all clear in terms of significant injury was it beyond you to walk into a pharmacy and buy some?

Ibuprofen, Codeine etc are all available over the counter.

So the NHS is crap because you two couldn't manage to go and buy some painkillers?
Fine if you have a headache Ding but I'm sure you know they aren't 'real' painkillers.

You can't buy Naproxen over the counter in the UK for some bloody reason. Not that it is a 'painkiller' per se but it's more effective than Ibuprofen. Instead you need to get a GP's permission, then they moan they have too much workload.
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Old Sep 30, 2014 | 10:16 AM
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Ding: as above. Paracetamol wasn't touching it, nor was co-codamol. Plus if you have had a neck injury and start getting numbness and pins & needles, surely you get checked out again????

Jack: don't see your point, unless you are just trolling?
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Old Sep 30, 2014 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Ding: as above. Paracetamol wasn't touching it, nor was co-codamol. Plus if you have had a neck injury and start getting numbness and pins & needles, surely you get checked out again????

Jack: don't see your point, unless you are just trolling?
Stuff all this talk about painkillers and what have you. He should have been straight off to A&E at this point, those could quite easily be the symptoms of something quite serious after a neck injury.
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Old Sep 30, 2014 | 03:41 PM
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But A&E TOLD him he might get those symptoms and others and that he was to see his own GP......
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Old Sep 30, 2014 | 05:36 PM
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Alcazar, my comments were a little tongue in cheek. You are right.
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Old Sep 30, 2014 | 06:07 PM
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OK, sorry...internet forums aren't easy to read nuances are they?
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Old Sep 30, 2014 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
But A&E TOLD him he might get those symptoms and others and that he was to see his own GP......
I would ignored that personally, what's the point in popping into your GP if it turns out to be serious.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Jack: don't see your point, unless you are just trolling?
You said he couldn't sit in A&E because the chairs were hard. I'm hoping you just phrased that wrong as anyone in real trouble wouldn't be thinking of the comfort of the chairs.
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Old Oct 3, 2014 | 09:08 AM
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You said he couldn't sit in A&E because the chairs were hard. I'm hoping you just phrased that wrong as anyone in real trouble wouldn't be thinking of the comfort of the chairs.
Ah, I see.....I MEANT he needed to lie down flat, couldn't sit up at all.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Ah, I see.....I MEANT he needed to lie down flat, couldn't sit up at all.
Much better, carry on
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Old Oct 3, 2014 | 12:07 PM
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out of interest Jack, was your shoulder injury the result of a leisure activity

say Mountain biking, hang gliding etc

what would you say the chances, that in the future your insurance would be expected to pick up the tab

very easy to argue that case isn't it

why should the hardworking taxpayer (whoever this mythical beast is) subsidies your extreme sport fetish


interesting times ahead for the NHS
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
out of interest Jack, was your shoulder injury the result of a leisure activity

say Mountain biking, hang gliding etc

what would you say the chances, that in the future your insurance would be expected to pick up the tab

very easy to argue that case isn't it

why should the hardworking taxpayer (whoever this mythical beast is) subsidies your extreme sport fetish


interesting times ahead for the NHS
Not sure if you're kidding or not, surely outdoor activities should be encouraged and sitting around on your fat **** making **** up to post on internet forums should be discouraged, I'll bet fat lazy people cost the NHS more than me.

And yes, I fell off my push bike being an idiot. And it still fecking hurts.

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Not sure if you're kidding or not, surely outdoor activities should be encouraged and sitting around on your fat **** making **** up to post on internet forums should be discouraged, I'll bet fat lazy people cost the NHS more than me.

And yes, I fell off my push bike being an idiot. And it still fecking hurts.
well you could argue why pay for fat lazy people too

windsurfing/kitesurfing/hangliding and injure yourself - should the NHS pay, a bit different from a bit of walking/jogging - I am sure you will agree

if you are not comfortable having the debate - pretend I am joking
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
well you could argue why pay for fat lazy people too

windsurfing/kitesurfing/hangliding and injure yourself - should the NHS pay, a bit different from a bit of walking/jogging - I am sure you will agree

if you are not comfortable having the debate - pretend I am joking
Debate, what debate? The NHS currently pays for fat people, smokers, drinkers and drug abusers to name a few, how you can not mention those but go straight for people engaging in sporting activities is beyond me. You need to reconsider your priorities.
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Old Oct 3, 2014 | 05:05 PM
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Mate of mine played football until he was 40.

His employers, then British Steel and Corus, insisted he carried an insurance policy that would pay him if he couldn't work.

Similar sort of thing.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Debate, what debate? The NHS currently pays for fat people, smokers, drinkers and drug abusers to name a few, how you can not mention those but go straight for people engaging in sporting activities is beyond me. You need to reconsider your priorities.
I'm sure all the VAT you've paid on Apple products would easily cover your NHS bill.
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Old Oct 5, 2014 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
I'm sure all the VAT you've paid on Apple products would easily cover your NHS bill.
No doubt the national insurance helps too.
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Just to add to the NHS fire.

My sister was recently pregnant. She developed a rash on her neck and shoulder and went to the doctor. She had read online that it could be related to kidney issues which are a risk to the unborn baby. Doctor sent her home saying anything kidney related would turn her skin yellow.

My sister is a worrier, she called the hospital who told her to get her *** in now. They induced her and in the end she had a C-section because of the risk to the baby.

Baby started pooing vblood, 5 different doctors said not to worry. In the end the last one threatened to send her to the hospital but there would be a 6 hour wait. She called his bluff and went.

Turns out the baby is allergic to milk and was bleed because her sides are being eaten away.

Clearly this has made my sister worse, she no long trusts anyone and is suffering postnatal depress quite badly.
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