View Poll Results: Tyre Recommendations for 400+ Club
Vredestein Ultrac Sessantas
19
24.05%
Continental SportContact 3
1
1.27%
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric
22
27.85%
Bridgestone Potentza S001
5
6.33%
Nankang NS2R
9
11.39%
Michelin Pilot Sport 2
4
5.06%
Other
19
24.05%
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Tyre Recommendations for 400+ Club
16 December 2014, 09:08 AM
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Tyre Recommendations for 400+ Club
Not happy with my Vredestein Ultrac Vortis, very different to the old Sessantas, so looking for something that behaves a little more similarly; interested to hear from owners of higher powered (400+ pls) cars on what you'd recommend.
I've added some makes here, but if you would strongly recommend others please post a reply. Thanks in advance (and before the spelling police point it out yes I mis-spelled Potenza but I can't edit the poll)
I've added some makes here, but if you would strongly recommend others please post a reply. Thanks in advance (and before the spelling police point it out yes I mis-spelled Potenza but I can't edit the poll)
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16 December 2014, 09:35 AM
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Track day tyre though ain't they mate? I want something that won't fly off in the wet as well - Camskill shows them with a wet grip rating of E (although the Vorti's are shown as B or something so my trust in that indicator is not what it was!)
16 December 2014, 09:36 AM
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I'm with you on the vredstein , they are on my summer Rota's I have no confidence in them , car feels very lairy , traction is there but feedback & stability is truly weird .. Got my OEM 17's on at mo for winter running rain sport 3 & to be honest it's let go a few times but the feedback is there so I'm fine till spring .. When the 18's come back on I'll be looking else where also . So very interested in recommendations
16 December 2014, 09:46 AM
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I'm with you on the vredstein , they are on my summer Rota's I have no confidence in them , car feels very lairy , traction is there but feedback & stability is truly weird .. Got my OEM 17's on at mo for winter running rain sport 3 & to be honest it's let go a few times but the feedback is there so I'm fine till spring .. When the 18's come back on I'll be looking else where also . So very interested in recommendations
Last night it felt like the car scrabbled for traction in third gear going up a hill...in the dry, and that was just on vpower!
Like you I'm also about to change over to winters on my 17's but yes mine feels the exact same - the wheel feels overly light and the car feels like it's sliding around - how it got the scores it did in the various ratings and tests I have NO idea - all I can think is maybe it suits heavier cars?
16 December 2014, 11:14 AM
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As an all rounder on a ROAD car.
Very good at everything, master of nothing
The Goodyears no question.
Dry weather once warmed up the Federal RSR are more capable than the Goodyears.
So a better ROAD and TRACK tyre in dry conditions
But cold and in with a lot of water about they are not so good they break away earlier.
Both are progressive on the limits of grip, which is the main factor
(I have pushed both tyres regularly over the limits of grip in a near 500hp classic on alpine roads and on track)
Very good at everything, master of nothing
The Goodyears no question.
Dry weather once warmed up the Federal RSR are more capable than the Goodyears.
So a better ROAD and TRACK tyre in dry conditions
But cold and in with a lot of water about they are not so good they break away earlier.
Both are progressive on the limits of grip, which is the main factor
(I have pushed both tyres regularly over the limits of grip in a near 500hp classic on alpine roads and on track)
Last edited by Steve Whitehorn; 16 December 2014 at 11:16 AM.
16 December 2014, 01:00 PM
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Vredi Ultrac Sessantas and Vortis that you have fitted are quite different.
Look at some reviews (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk):
"I run a modded Impreza that's just shy of 450bhp so don't tend to skimp in the tyre department!
Having been a huge fan of Vredestein's Ultrac Sessanta I went for a set of Vorti's thinking they had a similar pattern to Continental SportContact 5's which were also a cracking tyre.
Unfortunately, there is a problem with these tyres, mainly in the wet, and the car feels skittish and has a tendency to run very wide when cornering.
Wet braking is also not great. I had the car slide sideways when cornering (not aggressively) on a corner I've taken at similar speeds on a set of Hankook Evo Ventus's.
I suspect that on the rear alone they'd be okay, but I won't be using these again on the front of my car."
"Having had Vredestein Sessantas on a previous car, and being impressed with them, I thought I'd give the Vorti a try. The car is highly modified, with 600bhp+ at the wheels, but I'm getting less grip from these than I did from the P Zeros which it came from the factory with unfortunately.
A shame, as I really wanted to like them, but they've made the car practically undriveable in the wet and, even on dry roads, it's a challenge. As for the wear, not really done enough miles yet, though I'm not expecting more than 6,000 miles from them.
Goodyear Eagles next I think, on a recommendation."
I have Sessantas and they were definitely better than Pzero Neros that were on the car originally.
Look at some reviews (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk):
"I run a modded Impreza that's just shy of 450bhp so don't tend to skimp in the tyre department!
Having been a huge fan of Vredestein's Ultrac Sessanta I went for a set of Vorti's thinking they had a similar pattern to Continental SportContact 5's which were also a cracking tyre.
Unfortunately, there is a problem with these tyres, mainly in the wet, and the car feels skittish and has a tendency to run very wide when cornering.
Wet braking is also not great. I had the car slide sideways when cornering (not aggressively) on a corner I've taken at similar speeds on a set of Hankook Evo Ventus's.
I suspect that on the rear alone they'd be okay, but I won't be using these again on the front of my car."
"Having had Vredestein Sessantas on a previous car, and being impressed with them, I thought I'd give the Vorti a try. The car is highly modified, with 600bhp+ at the wheels, but I'm getting less grip from these than I did from the P Zeros which it came from the factory with unfortunately.
A shame, as I really wanted to like them, but they've made the car practically undriveable in the wet and, even on dry roads, it's a challenge. As for the wear, not really done enough miles yet, though I'm not expecting more than 6,000 miles from them.
Goodyear Eagles next I think, on a recommendation."
I have Sessantas and they were definitely better than Pzero Neros that were on the car originally.
16 December 2014, 05:05 PM
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Vredi Ultrac Sessantas and Vortis that you have fitted are quite different.
Look at some reviews (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk):
"I run a modded Impreza that's just shy of 450bhp so don't tend to skimp in the tyre department!
Having been a huge fan of Vredestein's Ultrac Sessanta I went for a set of Vorti's thinking they had a similar pattern to Continental SportContact 5's which were also a cracking tyre.
Unfortunately, there is a problem with these tyres, mainly in the wet, and the car feels skittish and has a tendency to run very wide when cornering.
Wet braking is also not great. I had the car slide sideways when cornering (not aggressively) on a corner I've taken at similar speeds on a set of Hankook Evo Ventus's.
I suspect that on the rear alone they'd be okay, but I won't be using these again on the front of my car."
"Having had Vredestein Sessantas on a previous car, and being impressed with them, I thought I'd give the Vorti a try. The car is highly modified, with 600bhp+ at the wheels, but I'm getting less grip from these than I did from the P Zeros which it came from the factory with unfortunately.
A shame, as I really wanted to like them, but they've made the car practically undriveable in the wet and, even on dry roads, it's a challenge. As for the wear, not really done enough miles yet, though I'm not expecting more than 6,000 miles from them.
Goodyear Eagles next I think, on a recommendation."
I have Sessantas and they were definitely better than Pzero Neros that were on the car originally.
Look at some reviews (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk):
"I run a modded Impreza that's just shy of 450bhp so don't tend to skimp in the tyre department!
Having been a huge fan of Vredestein's Ultrac Sessanta I went for a set of Vorti's thinking they had a similar pattern to Continental SportContact 5's which were also a cracking tyre.
Unfortunately, there is a problem with these tyres, mainly in the wet, and the car feels skittish and has a tendency to run very wide when cornering.
Wet braking is also not great. I had the car slide sideways when cornering (not aggressively) on a corner I've taken at similar speeds on a set of Hankook Evo Ventus's.
I suspect that on the rear alone they'd be okay, but I won't be using these again on the front of my car."
"Having had Vredestein Sessantas on a previous car, and being impressed with them, I thought I'd give the Vorti a try. The car is highly modified, with 600bhp+ at the wheels, but I'm getting less grip from these than I did from the P Zeros which it came from the factory with unfortunately.
A shame, as I really wanted to like them, but they've made the car practically undriveable in the wet and, even on dry roads, it's a challenge. As for the wear, not really done enough miles yet, though I'm not expecting more than 6,000 miles from them.
Goodyear Eagles next I think, on a recommendation."
I have Sessantas and they were definitely better than Pzero Neros that were on the car originally.
I had Hankook Evo Ventus V12's before this but felt they weren't very progressive as they started to reach their limit in comparison to other tyres I've had.
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16 December 2014, 08:34 PM
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I've had Hankook v12 evos on my old Type R and rated them highly both wet and dry. I've just put REO70s on my Widetrack STI not really had a chance to try them out properly.
Maybe the the Hankooks are more suited to classics with it being a lighter car?
Maybe the the Hankooks are more suited to classics with it being a lighter car?
16 December 2014, 09:47 PM
#16
Although I'm not in the 400 club i would highly recommend the Goodyear.
I find them very predictable in the wet with excellent dry grip too.
There is noticeable flex in the sidewalls but I find this gives you a more oe feel to running 18's and I really can't tell the difference between my turini's with the goodyears on and standard STI wheels with pilots on.
Siv
I find them very predictable in the wet with excellent dry grip too.
There is noticeable flex in the sidewalls but I find this gives you a more oe feel to running 18's and I really can't tell the difference between my turini's with the goodyears on and standard STI wheels with pilots on.
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16 December 2014, 10:01 PM
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RE070's are shìt in the winter months imho, got stuck with them last year and a little yaris diesel on budget tyres rolled on by 
I've also just bought some NS-2R to have a crack with when the weather warms up a little, good wet rating on them from memory as well.
I've also just bought some NS-2R to have a crack with when the weather warms up a little, good wet rating on them from memory as well.
16 December 2014, 10:46 PM
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Ive been Running Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetric 2s for 9 months.
I find there a lot softer than the Re070 Bridgestones and ride quality also a lot better.
So maybe not good if your pushing your car hard and want good response.
But wet weather grip and braking is really good and also very progressive you can easily feel how much grip there is available.
Dry weather is also as good as the Bridgestones.
Also not experienced any tramlining.
Only bad point is the tyre noise seems a lot louder.
I find there a lot softer than the Re070 Bridgestones and ride quality also a lot better.
So maybe not good if your pushing your car hard and want good response.
But wet weather grip and braking is really good and also very progressive you can easily feel how much grip there is available.
Dry weather is also as good as the Bridgestones.
Also not experienced any tramlining.
Only bad point is the tyre noise seems a lot louder.
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17 December 2014, 06:54 AM
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Proxes are not great when worn close to the limit - I had a part worn set of T1S's on my rota's that I got off another set of wheels and man alive they didn't like wet weather, but that's probably why they barely feature in tyre tests now! See what you think when you're 6-7000 miles in
17 December 2014, 12:46 PM
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Hey Giles.
I currently use the sessanta on mines and find them pretty good in both wet and dry. Felt previous toyos (too soft), RE070 to be too firm and uncomfortable.
The sessanta are by far best compared to the ones ive used however i wouldnt mind giving the eagle f1 asymmetric a go next.
Both the sessanta and goodyear f1 are dead cheap on camskills at present.
I currently use the sessanta on mines and find them pretty good in both wet and dry. Felt previous toyos (too soft), RE070 to be too firm and uncomfortable.
The sessanta are by far best compared to the ones ive used however i wouldnt mind giving the eagle f1 asymmetric a go next.
Both the sessanta and goodyear f1 are dead cheap on camskills at present.
17 December 2014, 12:48 PM
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NS2Rs have some proper voodoo shizz going on. Amazing in the wet, way more amazing than they should be. RSRs are also superb in the wet.
The Subaru currently wears Michelin Pilot SuperSports, great tyres but at £250 a corner, i stilll dont think theyre any better than the NS2R.
Up to you mate, but i'll never use another street tyre, track tyres are so much more stable and predicatble. When the Michelins are dead, ill fit NS2Rs to the Subaru.
The Subaru currently wears Michelin Pilot SuperSports, great tyres but at £250 a corner, i stilll dont think theyre any better than the NS2R.
Up to you mate, but i'll never use another street tyre, track tyres are so much more stable and predicatble. When the Michelins are dead, ill fit NS2Rs to the Subaru.
17 December 2014, 01:10 PM
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They sure are , however we are into winter now & a soft compound sticky wouldn't be my choice . Come spring yes that's what I'm goin to commit to .. I just couldn't bring myself to using a sticky now , back in 99 I had a off in such a situation 70mph long sweeping left dry road but water flowing down embankment from Forrest .
I'm on rain sport 3 at mo on 17's
When the snow arrives travelling to work I'll be on 4 space savers with snow tyres & chains
I'm on rain sport 3 at mo on 17's
When the snow arrives travelling to work I'll be on 4 space savers with snow tyres & chains
17 December 2014, 05:55 PM
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Frayz, are these the ones you're talking about?
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m118b0s669..._Noise%3A_71dB
I'm tempted; they're not exactly cheap for the brand, but I just want predictable and good stick to the road tendencies that won't fling me off the side in the wet!
The Goodyear and Vredestein look like solid options; I have done 2 sets of Sessantas in the past and found them good solid and dependable in all weathers, and several guys in my local club run them now too, so I may just go back to them - better the devil you know and all that - the Vortis were my "let's try something new" moment and I suffered a bloody huge fright with them that I would care to forget.
Like Chet says, both are < £90 a corner at the moment, so not a bad time to buy potentially.
I've told the missus she can get me 2 for Christmas and I'll buy the other 2 - better to have something you need!
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m118b0s669..._Noise%3A_71dB
I'm tempted; they're not exactly cheap for the brand, but I just want predictable and good stick to the road tendencies that won't fling me off the side in the wet!
The Goodyear and Vredestein look like solid options; I have done 2 sets of Sessantas in the past and found them good solid and dependable in all weathers, and several guys in my local club run them now too, so I may just go back to them - better the devil you know and all that - the Vortis were my "let's try something new" moment and I suffered a bloody huge fright with them that I would care to forget.
Like Chet says, both are < £90 a corner at the moment, so not a bad time to buy potentially.
I've told the missus she can get me 2 for Christmas and I'll buy the other 2 - better to have something you need!
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17 December 2014, 08:45 PM
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Running NS2R on the road and track. The grip in the dry is awesome!! Not driven in the rain yet.. Done trackday at castle combe and they were mint!
Also a great price imo.
Running 407bh
I also rate sessantas too.
Also a great price imo.
Running 407bh
I also rate sessantas too.