Electric cars-generally..
23 October 2016, 08:46 PM
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Electric cars-generally..
Have to say engine noise does it for me
Dont care how quick these cars are,but,my god,most have been beaten with the ugly stick too
please tell me it is not the future
Dont care how quick these cars are,but,my god,most have been beaten with the ugly stick too
please tell me it is not the future
23 October 2016, 08:53 PM
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The sound of the engine is a big part of things for me so thank god i am not in germany because they are on about banning petrol driven cars which i find ironic with their past history.
23 October 2016, 10:37 PM
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Embrace it.
No complicated ICE (the motor, not stereo lol) to go wrong. Just (relatively) simple rotors, stators and batteries. But perhaps not, so much, the wiring harnesses.
Obviously should these items go wrong, then they'll be expensive to replace. But should the technology continue to evolve apace, then, like everything, prices tumble.
Plus, instant, 100% of the torque from standstill, on demand... Well, in theory.
No complicated ICE (the motor, not stereo lol) to go wrong. Just (relatively) simple rotors, stators and batteries. But perhaps not, so much, the wiring harnesses.
Obviously should these items go wrong, then they'll be expensive to replace. But should the technology continue to evolve apace, then, like everything, prices tumble.
Plus, instant, 100% of the torque from standstill, on demand... Well, in theory.
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24 October 2016, 07:51 AM
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This isnt ugly...
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tes...oPD5p7xhIAM%3A
or this....
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tes...A50916lMTzM%3A
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tes...oPD5p7xhIAM%3A
or this....
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tes...A50916lMTzM%3A
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http://www.mnx.ca/ModelS/_data/i/upl...cbc9d66-me.jpg
Looks better , imo . Certainly could be lot worse for a 4 seater
Looks better , imo . Certainly could be lot worse for a 4 seater
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24 October 2016, 09:40 AM
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So true....
Get price,noise,style correct..I would buy one
Get price,noise,style correct..I would buy one
27 October 2016, 01:49 PM
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It's a bit of an odd combination, but I have a WRX Wagon and a Nissan Leaf.
I generally use the Leaf to get to work and back, since it's usually a dull slog of traffic jams. It is quiet, comfortable, and very easy to drive (especially in traffic since it has just forward or reverse, no gears as such). It's also quite neat that you can warm up or cool down the cabin remotely, so it is always a nice temperature when you get in, and I never have to scrape ice off the windscreen in winter. We are paying £200/month on a PCP and will give it back after 2 years (10K miles/year). Since it's tax free and everything else apart from insurance is covered by warranty, the only other cost is electricity. We've spent £330 of electric to do 13K miles, so about 2.5p/mile. If I had used that money to pay for petrol in the Scoob, it would have to have averaged 220 mpg to get me the same distance!
For 95% of our journeys, the Leaf is good. For longer trips, and when I want to have some fun, we take the wagon.
I am a complete petrolhead but a lot of the time you just can't enjoy the noise, speed or power, so then the annoyances come through like firm ride, 10+ year old controls and entertainment, higher insurance, 28 mpg, etc etc. For me the wagon is a weekend toy as well as a family car - I wouldn't get away with a totally selfish fun car like a 2 seater!
Best of both worlds (even though I am always thinking of what else to add and where I could park it...)
I generally use the Leaf to get to work and back, since it's usually a dull slog of traffic jams. It is quiet, comfortable, and very easy to drive (especially in traffic since it has just forward or reverse, no gears as such). It's also quite neat that you can warm up or cool down the cabin remotely, so it is always a nice temperature when you get in, and I never have to scrape ice off the windscreen in winter. We are paying £200/month on a PCP and will give it back after 2 years (10K miles/year). Since it's tax free and everything else apart from insurance is covered by warranty, the only other cost is electricity. We've spent £330 of electric to do 13K miles, so about 2.5p/mile. If I had used that money to pay for petrol in the Scoob, it would have to have averaged 220 mpg to get me the same distance!
For 95% of our journeys, the Leaf is good. For longer trips, and when I want to have some fun, we take the wagon.
I am a complete petrolhead but a lot of the time you just can't enjoy the noise, speed or power, so then the annoyances come through like firm ride, 10+ year old controls and entertainment, higher insurance, 28 mpg, etc etc. For me the wagon is a weekend toy as well as a family car - I wouldn't get away with a totally selfish fun car like a 2 seater!
Best of both worlds (even though I am always thinking of what else to add and where I could park it...)
28 October 2016, 11:18 AM
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It's a bit of an odd combination, but I have a WRX Wagon and a Nissan Leaf.
I generally use the Leaf to get to work and back, since it's usually a dull slog of traffic jams. It is quiet, comfortable, and very easy to drive (especially in traffic since it has just forward or reverse, no gears as such). It's also quite neat that you can warm up or cool down the cabin remotely, so it is always a nice temperature when you get in, and I never have to scrape ice off the windscreen in winter. We are paying £200/month on a PCP and will give it back after 2 years (10K miles/year). Since it's tax free and everything else apart from insurance is covered by warranty, the only other cost is electricity. We've spent £330 of electric to do 13K miles, so about 2.5p/mile. If I had used that money to pay for petrol in the Scoob, it would have to have averaged 220 mpg to get me the same distance!
For 95% of our journeys, the Leaf is good. For longer trips, and when I want to have some fun, we take the wagon.
I am a complete petrolhead but a lot of the time you just can't enjoy the noise, speed or power, so then the annoyances come through like firm ride, 10+ year old controls and entertainment, higher insurance, 28 mpg, etc etc. For me the wagon is a weekend toy as well as a family car - I wouldn't get away with a totally selfish fun car like a 2 seater!
Best of both worlds (even though I am always thinking of what else to add and where I could park it...)
I generally use the Leaf to get to work and back, since it's usually a dull slog of traffic jams. It is quiet, comfortable, and very easy to drive (especially in traffic since it has just forward or reverse, no gears as such). It's also quite neat that you can warm up or cool down the cabin remotely, so it is always a nice temperature when you get in, and I never have to scrape ice off the windscreen in winter. We are paying £200/month on a PCP and will give it back after 2 years (10K miles/year). Since it's tax free and everything else apart from insurance is covered by warranty, the only other cost is electricity. We've spent £330 of electric to do 13K miles, so about 2.5p/mile. If I had used that money to pay for petrol in the Scoob, it would have to have averaged 220 mpg to get me the same distance!
For 95% of our journeys, the Leaf is good. For longer trips, and when I want to have some fun, we take the wagon.
I am a complete petrolhead but a lot of the time you just can't enjoy the noise, speed or power, so then the annoyances come through like firm ride, 10+ year old controls and entertainment, higher insurance, 28 mpg, etc etc. For me the wagon is a weekend toy as well as a family car - I wouldn't get away with a totally selfish fun car like a 2 seater!
Best of both worlds (even though I am always thinking of what else to add and where I could park it...)
28 October 2016, 11:26 AM
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Yes youbwill need a special outlet installed from your fuseboard
28 October 2016, 11:46 AM
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They drive like a normal car, but run out of puff at higher speeds, and it uses lots more battery because of wind resistance, so they are not motorway cruisers (Tesla excepted). 25 miles to/from work would be easy, even if there is some motorway involved. I would count on 80 miles range in the depth of winter, and about 100 in summer, with the 24kWh Leaf we have. Newer cars have a bigger battery (30 kWh) so can go further without recharging.
Insurance used to be more expensive, because the insurance companies didn't know what to do and there will be a higher rate of write-offs compared to petrol cars just because there's less expertise in repairing them. It has probably improved since – I pay about £240 a year for the Leaf, which is the same as I was paying for the Alfa 147 (2 litre) we had before.
Also forgot to mention that the wife loves it! She doesn't like manual gearboxes and it is even smoother than an automatic, just go/stop.
28 October 2016, 02:52 PM
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Just wrote out a massive long massage and Scoobynet logs me out thats alot.
A friend of mine was spending £50 a week on fuel to run a Skoda diesel to work and back, now using that money on finance on a Nissan leaf, and they have a Range rover aswell. So its a good pay off but what everyone needs to remember is that as soon as the government gets a large amount of people on electric cars the pay off will end, as the government makes a mint on taxing fuel and when that drops you can be sure they will tax electric cars massively.
If your going to get one as a second car on finance i'd hurry up. And i wouldn't buy one as you will have to replace the battery in 5 years which Nissan says will be £5339.17 but will give you £821.54 for your old battery.
Link below as info on it.
http://insideevs.com/breaking-nissan...-heat-durable/
A friend of mine was spending £50 a week on fuel to run a Skoda diesel to work and back, now using that money on finance on a Nissan leaf, and they have a Range rover aswell. So its a good pay off but what everyone needs to remember is that as soon as the government gets a large amount of people on electric cars the pay off will end, as the government makes a mint on taxing fuel and when that drops you can be sure they will tax electric cars massively.
If your going to get one as a second car on finance i'd hurry up. And i wouldn't buy one as you will have to replace the battery in 5 years which Nissan says will be £5339.17 but will give you £821.54 for your old battery.
Link below as info on it.
http://insideevs.com/breaking-nissan...-heat-durable/
28 October 2016, 03:16 PM
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A friend of mine was spending £50 a week on fuel to run a Skoda diesel to work and back, now using that money on finance on a Nissan leaf, and they have a Range rover aswell. So its a good pay off but what everyone needs to remember is that as soon as the government gets a large amount of people on electric cars the pay off will end, as the government makes a mint on taxing fuel and when that drops you can be sure they will tax electric cars massively.
If your going to get one as a second car on finance i'd hurry up. And i wouldn't buy one as you will have to replace the battery in 5 years which Nissan says will be £5339.17 but will give you £821.54 for your old battery.
If your going to get one as a second car on finance i'd hurry up. And i wouldn't buy one as you will have to replace the battery in 5 years which Nissan says will be £5339.17 but will give you £821.54 for your old battery.
The early fears of battery degradation are mostly unfounded – the first Leafs came to the UK in 2011 and are still going strong. Thermal degradation is a lot more of an issue in the USA (where that link is from, and 2 years ago), but here with our mild weather the batteries are holding up very well indeed.
2011 Leafs with <20K miles are going for £6K and would easily do another 5 years with basically no maintenance required, so if you don't do that many miles, it's a no-brainer.
28 October 2016, 04:31 PM
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Snore boxes ...pretty much all hybrids and pure electric. Leafs, outlander PHEV, Prius etc embodies everything that is wrong with cars in general from a car enthusiast's point of view.
Outlander PHEV's a pure attempt at evading vehicle taxes and cheating emission and mpg figures...go find a owner that can get anywhere near its official 150+ MPG.
Exception to the rule; BMW i8, Koenigsegg hybrid (Regera), and the current line of Teslas.
Personally I'd have the Koenigsegg hybrid...just for the v8 "kick"
"by my deeds I honor him. v8"
Outlander PHEV's a pure attempt at evading vehicle taxes and cheating emission and mpg figures...go find a owner that can get anywhere near its official 150+ MPG.
Exception to the rule; BMW i8, Koenigsegg hybrid (Regera), and the current line of Teslas.
Personally I'd have the Koenigsegg hybrid...just for the v8 "kick"
"by my deeds I honor him. v8"
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28 October 2016, 08:10 PM
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. I was hassling one in my van and he put his foot down and it accelerated quite well but you pay a premium for this.
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Yes they aren't hardcore racecar but sometimes when I've finished work I'm tired and just want to get home. If I commuted in my Impreza I'd be broke and would have to sell it. Plus you can have a more "hardcore" weekend car and take it easy in your EV.