Fabioso

Well it certainly looks lairy, that wing has to be the most wild seen on a hot hatch since the Escort Cossie.

Wonder how well it drives?

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-j...eva-2015/31638

bioforger

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Wing looks to be a bit of a 2015 STi copy

b3nmw

scoobyboy1

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I like that

the shreksta

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Now that is nice, shame about the lack of mental red line. 5 door doesn't look too bad either though.

Me want it

cuprajake

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And the pistons won't want to leave the block every chance they get lol.

Must admit in the last few years the hot hatch has come back with a vengance

scoobyboy1

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There be a good choice in a few years when most hit the used cars market.

jayallen

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It's just broken the FWD ring record....7.50

LSherratt

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Yes it looks nice, but 310hp, front wheel drive and only a 0-60mph of 5.7 seconds? Their older FN2 model did it in 6.2 seconds and their classic EP3 model does it in 6.0 seconds which is over 10 years old! I know you'll be telling me it's not all about the 0-60mph speed, but I honestly expected better. Sounds like it's great on the track though if it's just beaten the nurburgring record?

jonc

Not doubting its performance but it looks a bit too Ripspeed/Ricer for my liking.

scoobyboy1

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Old shape EP3 does it in 6.4 seconds(just googled it)

Especially when the mk1 Focus RS is down for 6.4 seconds too!! and ive been in a civic type r and found it gutless, I really cant see why people rave about the old shape EP3 civic type r's!!!

jonc

6 seconds is about as fast as you can go in a road going FWD car, it just doesn't have the traction off the line to go any faster and is a case of diminishing returns in the quest for more power, it's physics. In gear times will tell us more about how quick it will be.

bioforger

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And for that reason i'm out It does produce all of its torque at 2.5K revs allegelly which isn't bad at all.

RS Grant

I think from the front bumper to the back of the front doors, it looks fantastic, very aggressive and purposeful... but from that point backwards, I think it's trying too hard and yet doesn't quite manage to hide the awkward shape of the standard car underneath.

Seen a lot of chat about the engine since the specification has been confirmed and it seems like Honda can't win?!

They give us a car with a reliable, quick revving, 8k+ redline N/A screamer and people blast it with comments like: "Power is all up top, makes it gutless low down."

So they move with the times and to stay in touch with their direct competitors they give us a turbo charged, high HP and high lb/ft engine with a lower redline and people are saying: "7k redline is a bit rubbish, they've taken away the Type R trump card/USP. Might as well buy a Golf R, VXR, RS275, etc"




Cheers,
Grant

Fabioso

What I really don't understand is how it can go so fast round the Nurburgring, I mean a 7m 50s lap is 2 seconds quicker than a Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4?

28 seconds faster than an M135i?
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

This thing must either corner like nothing else or Honda are pulling our plonkers a tad.........be interesting to see how close the production car gets to this.

Make no mistake though on paper round a track it looks M3/M5 kind of fast

Hot Hatches.....who would have thought that a few years ago?

LSherratt

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I'd still rather outright own a 16 year old JDM STI that does 0-60 in 4.7 seconds and is still extremely respectable around a track

jonc

I'm sure Matteeboy can go faster in Sport+ mode.

Be interesting to see if that time was achieved on "cup" tyers.

Shaun

This is what you call a torque curve for a 2ltr!


That would even make your 2.5ltr break out in a cold sweat.

bioforger

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Yes well done and 15K more expensive and some for the mods you've paid for so far! irrelevant!

Shaun

Bioforger,
Move over for the new wave of performance car, and come and join the party with the rest of us. (Golf R, S3, RS3, M135i, Civic, RS & A45 owners).

Yes this is a troll at you (I owe you one don't I).

bioforger

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Fair one But Golf R, M135i tried them, meh, S3 oldman has one, not bad, but another flappy paddle affair, i'm not a fan at all, Civic! hahaha please. A45 granted but my wallet refused to play ball as you know.

f1_fan

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Or like most of them just break full stop

Shaun

Watch it - he'll breakout in hives again.

Shaun

I must admit, I think they've dropped a clanger not making the Civic AWD. Anyone know the price yet? If it's 30g's they've made a mistake I suspect.

bioforger

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Its 32K!

RS Grant

Was a photograph taken from a Honda/Type R site.


Cheers,
Grant

ditchmyster

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I honestly think they have all only just caught up with what Subaru have been doing for 20 years and thrown in a fancy interior along with some trick electronics.

My 10 year old Wagon is still in the game with a 0-60 of 4.8 and I don't need to sit at the lights going through some elaborate sequence of switch flicking and button pressing before I can do it either.

Add a 400 quid turbo (billet TD04) with a remap and none of them are going anywhere, and I don't even need it to toast the Civic.


Regardless of what anyone says 0-60 DOES count because it's where the vast majority of these cars will live and have the opportunity to be "tested" against everything else on the road, Traffic light to traffic light 99.999% of them will never see Nurburgring or any track for that matter, So sitting in the pub saying my car does the Ring faster than yours is a bit like saying I did Keira Knightley last night when all you actually did was jerk off at a picture of her.

As far as I'm concerned I'm really not impressed, for me the only one that has moved the game forwards is the A45 which you would bloody well want it to for the best part of £50k and even that hasn't done it by that much performance and engine capability wise especially when you consider Subaru have been selling 500bhp capable cars for over 10 years.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Shaun

Ditch,
You're missing the whole point about where these vehicles have "moved on".

You can't go into a showroom now and buy a BRAND NEW scoob that matches the performance of the new breed. You may not be interested in a new car, but many people are. The fact that we can now consider a whole range of different vehicles, with fairly like for like performance, is awesome for the consumer.............. we've never had it so good imo.

To buy a car, that is backed by a 3yr manufacturers warranty and able to perform like they do, is a major step forward. The fact that they are able to achieve 30+mpg with ease and cost as little as £180 pa tax, is just the kicker.

Then you add a £500 tuning box and they are at a level that quite frankly, a Subaru would struggle with, as a point to point vehicle.

The game has moved on...... it's a pity that Subaru haven't.

I love Subaru's... you know that. You also know that neither of my previous cars have been slow (perhaps when I drive they have been lol).

I know I may be coming across like a smoker who has just given up, preaching left right and centre.

A45 Specific
The A45 isn't £50k..... it's £38k base model. If you want to make it £50k, that's down to you.

If you offset an engine build on a Scoob , as you'll get a forged engine as part of the A45 it's not that bad a price, when you consider the brand you're paying for as well. Apparantly the A45 engine will take 600bhp - I'll believe that though when I see it.

Infected by sti

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Hurry up and get on with it then

ditchmyster

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Sorry Shaun but we're never going to agree on this, your argument has a giant gaping hole in it.

5 year warranty 2p tax and 50mpg and the hole is still there even with a £38k price tag.

I've got zero warranty my tax is £280 ish and I average 28mpg over 4yrs and 21,000 miles, in that time the biggest expense has been road tax at £840 running costs including tyres and 5k oil changes £790. Grand total £1630, I have added a few light mods that take that total to just shy of £2k and the car cost me £4k.

So that's a £32k hole to fill for essentially a nicer interior a bit more power out of the box and some Kudos amongst petrol heads, but using running costs and warranty as justification for having one as shown is MAN MATHS taken to the extreme.

There's no disputing these new hot hatches are nice and I wouldn't for a moment suggest my car is in anyway "better" or a "nicer" place to be, but it does do the same job and would be in front of at least the Honda, I also doubt the honda would get close in the wet much like the M135i it's going to struggle to translate any of the power advantage into forward movement on anything but a bone dry road.

Nicer and more modern they may be (if you like that sort of thing) but the only place they are "changing the game" is amongst themselves in the slow boring euro, almost identical bar the badge department.

Even now your average person on the street would just think yours (minus the aero package) and all the other cars in the list above are bogo euro boxes, but even my nan (god rest her soul) would recognise a Subaru even before she could see it.

You can't buy that kind of kudos even with a £38k price tag.

Don't get me wrong I get the "new car" thing but I've had so many of them that they're boring even the nice ones, they just leave me feeling empty after the first week or two, I have no real interest or excitement about going outside and jumping in it to Just 'go for a drive' and have some fun, yet I still do that in my crappy Wagon even after 4yrs and my STI Type R it was any excuse or opportunity to go for a blast and I was off like a shot, new cars just feel sedate, un-involving and too clinical for me, I also know it's not ALL me doing the driving so it doesn't matter how fast it goes around corners or in a straight line because that has nothing to do with MY ability as a driver it's about the trickery pokery in the electronics and for me it's ALL about Me driving, not numbers or style.

I'll be interested to see how long it is before you go back to a car where you're the deciding factor on how fast it can go.