tonybooth

I am due to pick up a car that I have bought tomorrow that is currently declared SORN by the current registered keeper. I asked him to tax it for me but as he no longer has it insured that isn't an option.

I will have it insured but won't get the insurance documents until early next week. I need to drive it back from Surrey to Leeds. I reckon if I get stopped the worst that could result is being made to pay back tax. Surely the circumstances are genuine enough that they wouldn't clamp me on the M1

These SORN things along with other silly rules for VIC checks and number plate purchases have no effect on the criminals but just make life more awkward for the masses.

TONY

ozzy

The worst that can happen is the Police refer you to the DVLA for no tax. The Police/DVLA will most likely accept your story as long as you can prove there was no gap in the SORN/tax. If they wanted to be @rsey, the DVLA could fine you £40 and ask you to pay the back-dated tax. If you don't pay the fine it would double to £80.

TelBoy

According to the form you get though, they mention a £5,000 fine, no??

ozzy

That's the maximum fine and would depend on how long they saw a tax gap. The tricky part would be proving it hadn't been driven during the SORN period.

Dr Hu

Easy - just don't drive on any roads that may have ANPR on them - i.e motorways & Dual carriageways mainly....best keep off A roads too, B roads may be tricky, best keep to the back lanes.......its not far......

LOL - it is a biatch all this rules about SORN, and the biggest biatch will be when they introduce the no insurance clause too (coming v soon!) - you cannot have a vehicle uninsured at any time.....as a classic car owner that is a real b4stard!

TelBoy

Really??? What's the logic behind THAT little gem of legislation..??

stevencotton

As motorists we are guilty until proven innocent!

TelBoy

But seriously, if i have a classic car declared SORN, why won't it remain MY choice whether to insure it or not? I don't understand.

PG

got any mates with a garage ? Get a shot of their trade plates ?

Scooby-Doo

Book it in to your local MOT station then I believe you can drive it to that station.

GC8

Correct! I used to use this ruse regularly from Tilbury/Southampton docks; itll **** off an Police officers that you encounter but the law doesnt limit the distance that you may travel.

Tel; a gentleman of your means wont be affected by the proposed legislation because it doesnt affect vehicles that are parked in your detached six car garage!


Simon

TelBoy

LOL, so what ARE the rules then? If it's on private property you're exempt?

GC8

My understanding, is that if the vehicle is parked on closed private property, a garage or a drivaway for example, then it neednt be insured. Leaving the unused vehicle uninsured but taxed on the highway will be verboten.

TopBanana

Put some fake plates on it and camoflague it

Milamber

iTrader: (2)

Isn't "the worst that will happen" that car your car will get crushed?

lucylastic

Your insurance company can send you a covernote by courier and have it to you this afternoon (presuming you're not in Lands End and they in John O'Groates).

scoobyster

My flatmate's new insurers didn't send him a certificate, they provided a pdf file for him to print his own, the PO were happy with this when he went for tax. It looked like it had been knocked up in Word in about 2 mins, which is another idea

GC8

The DVLA prohibit the use of downloadable certificates for taxing cars. I did wonder whether GPOs knew/cared though...

Does anyone know whether Post Offices refer to the ABI Insurance data base? The reason I ask is that insurers have 14 days to add your details and if they do itll be nearly impossible to insure this car...


Simon

CrisPDuk

It is currently, and always has been AFAIK, illegal to park an uninsured vehicle on the public highway, so in what way is the proposed new legislation different?

GC8

I used to think that too; but apparently it wasnt illegal to keep the vehicle on the highway as long as it had an excise license. Ive read a similar editorial in two seperate magazines so Im confident that theyre correct.


Simon

dexter

It`s illegal to keep a vehicle on a road if it`s not insured, and it`s also illegal to keep it on a road without a current tax disc.

GC8

""using a vehicle on a road or other public place without third party insurance" as required by Section 143 of the Road Traffic Act 1988" Quoted from the DfT website

Keeping and Using are distinctly different.

Read the proposal here


Simon

Dr Hu

hmmmm - dont like the sound of the 'an offence would not require the police to prove that the vehicle was in use on the road' bit...one could interpret that in a few ways.....

ChrisB

I'd also wonder if PO counter staff could tell the difference between a good colour print of a PDF and what turns up in the post...

sti-04!!

At minimum wage i dont think they would care

hades

These days, most 2nd hand car dealers sell cars without tax. In many cases, people will go and pick up the car with an insurance cover note (any decent company will get you a cover note next day) and then drive it to the post office to get the tax. If you have the receipt, the cover note, etc and can show you've just bought the car and are heading to a post office, I'd think you'll have to be very unlucky for them to nick you. What's to stop you getting a cover note and picking up tax somewhere near where you buy the car?

The PO will pick up that it's SORN'ed but won't prevent you getting a new tax disk - in the same way, many cars where the dealer cashes in the tax disk before selling it on will show as already having tax. That doesn't stop them from issuing a new tax disk.

GC8

Im thinking along the same lines Chris; the problem lies with the register. If the Post Office staff refer to this (as the VRO staff do) then the vehicles wont appear to be insured.

Im already caught in a Catch-22 with the local VRO. My motor trade insurance certificate is downloaded so the certificate cant be used to register cars and the vehicles wont/cant appear on the insurance because they dont have a registered number.....


Simon

CrisPDuk

As the recipient 10 years ago of an IN10 (6 points & £150) for having an engineless car on the road outside my parents house taxed but uninsured, I can assure you that this is not the case


Incidentally, my mistrust of the Police and Courts stems from this occassion too. When the police came to my parent's door to ascertain the status of the car, they stated that they had recieved a complaint from a neighbour (the car had been there less than 12hrs by this point), They informed me that if I moved the car within 24hrs I could go down to the station, receive a police caution and thatr would be the end of it. No problem, moved the car, got the caution, carried on with my life. Four months later I received a registered letter saying that a date for my magistrates court appearance, with respect to driving a car whilst un-inisured, had been set for the following week Long story short, I turned up, the prosecution lied, the magistrates believed I was guilty from the moment I stepped into the box, I came away £150 lighter, but far wiser Unfortunately, none of my subsequent personal encounters with either establishment has removed this mistrust, merely reinforced it

GC8

Im not really sure how to reply to that. Youre arguing that youre correct based on what happened, but its apparent that you were prosecuted when you hadnt broken the law.

The lesson to be learnt there; is that under no circumstances do you speak under caution and always elect to go for jury trial.


Simon

Leslie

Yes I think insuranced was only needed if it was driven. But parked on the public roads needs Tax.

Les