Older People with Big Dog
20 August 2015, 08:27 PM
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Older People with Big Dog
Guys and girls, last night my cat was chased by an older person's (80+) massive, biscuit coloured lab, who decided to forcefully detach itself from its owner (who I found standing at the bottom of my drive, and shouting- "Tilly!") and went after my cat like a beast, and ended up scampering and snarling around in my back yard. The commotion caused was unreal! Unsurprisingly my clever cat legged it over the shed and far away, and the dog had to come back to his owner empty handed. The loser's dragging unmanned leash told the story of its embarrassing defeat in its fruitless pursuit. The lady was very apologetic for Tilly's behaviour but it made me think that older people shouldn't really have very big dogs. What if it had pulled the lady with it, and then frail Mrs. G. Could have seriously been injured with broken bones, you see. I know that her Tilly must be a great friend, guide and philosopher to her, but I think a smaller dog would be a better bet for her; generally speaking.
What do you think?
What do you think?
20 August 2015, 08:58 PM
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Guys and girls, last night my cat was chased by an older person's (80+) massive, biscuit coloured lab, who decided to forcefully detach itself from its owner (who I found standing at the bottom of my drive, and shouting- "Tilly!") and went after my cat like a beast, and ended up scampering and snarling around in my back yard. The commotion caused was unreal! Unsurprisingly my clever cat legged it over the shed and far away, and the dog had to come back to his owner empty handed. The loser's dragging unmanned leash told the story of its embarrassing defeat in its fruitless pursuit. The lady was very apologetic for Tilly's behaviour but it made me think that older people shouldn't really have very big dogs. What if it had pulled the lady with it, and then frail Mrs. G. Could have seriously been injured with broken bones, you see. I know that her Tilly must be a great friend, guide and philosopher to her, but I think a smaller dog would be a better bet for her; generally speaking.
What do you think?
What do you think?
You should have bludgeoned the dog to death and thrown it over into next door's garden. Nothing controversial!
20 August 2015, 09:47 PM
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I agree swati
She should only have a dog that she can keep under 'full' control, be it by verbal command or by being able to keep hold of the lead.
it is too big for her if she can't hold the lead when it pull's or if she did keep hold it would pull her over
would her saying 'sorry' help to put your cat back together if the dog had caught it?
she should have a smaller dog
She should only have a dog that she can keep under 'full' control, be it by verbal command or by being able to keep hold of the lead.
it is too big for her if she can't hold the lead when it pull's or if she did keep hold it would pull her over
would her saying 'sorry' help to put your cat back together if the dog had caught it?
she should have a smaller dog
20 August 2015, 10:30 PM
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Mind you, a ten year old kid turned up at the door step a few months ago, pathetically apologising for her dog chasing my cat In 2010 or something! But then she just kept talking and talking and talking to me, and I really needed to get on with work, man! Anyway, since then, she sometimes stops when I'm in the garden cutting grass etc. and starts nattering non-stop! The other day she knocked on the door. I was on the loo so I took my time to answer. She knocks hard on the door and when I open it, she says- "please, can I use your loo, I'm desperate!" I wasn't impressed but I had to let her. Then she comes down and starts chatting and chatting and chatting again! Jesus!
I went for a walk with a friend the other day when I saw miss chatterbox again! 'kin hell, man! I was gonna turn back to save myself a migraine
but luckily she waved from far and shouted- " Hiya, Swati! 
I'm playing I Spy with my cousins, so I'll see you later'. I did thank Jesus Christ this time for her being occupied, honest to God! Kids of today don't half rabbit on, man! 
You know if my brown cat was with the B&W one who got chased, two of them instead would have given that silly Tilly a chase for its life! They're strong when they're in a pair.
I agree swati
She should only have a dog that she can keep under 'full' control, be it by verbal command or by being able to keep hold of the lead.
it is too big for her if she can't hold the lead when it pull's or if she did keep hold it would pull her over
would her saying 'sorry' help to put your cat back together if the dog had caught it?
she should have a smaller dog
She should only have a dog that she can keep under 'full' control, be it by verbal command or by being able to keep hold of the lead.
it is too big for her if she can't hold the lead when it pull's or if she did keep hold it would pull her over
would her saying 'sorry' help to put your cat back together if the dog had caught it?
she should have a smaller dog
20 August 2015, 11:48 PM
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A labrador isn't a big dog. A St Bernard, Great Dane, Newfoundland etc are big dogs, or "proper dogs" as they should be known.
As for not controlling a Lab, buy them, or tell them to buy, a Dogmatic.
A trained dog, no matter what size, will do as it's owner commands them, unlike a cat which owns the person who gives it board and lodgings.
As for not controlling a Lab, buy them, or tell them to buy, a Dogmatic.
A trained dog, no matter what size, will do as it's owner commands them, unlike a cat which owns the person who gives it board and lodgings.
21 August 2015, 09:38 AM
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Cats an irresistible target for a mutt.!
My mother has this problem a bit with her dog but it was a stray, not huge either think it's some kind pyrenean large terrior.
My sister who has two of similar bought one those electric zapper lead things. Cos one of them does exactly what it wants, regardless
My mother has this problem a bit with her dog but it was a stray, not huge either think it's some kind pyrenean large terrior.
My sister who has two of similar bought one those electric zapper lead things. Cos one of them does exactly what it wants, regardless
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21 August 2015, 12:42 PM
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Ok, let's not just be size oriented, let's go for the bhp per dog. Son's SBT is half the height of that Libby the Ted, but he would drag Mrs G. at 80mph in 0-60 secs for a good mile and half, if he saw a cat and if she was out walking him!
As for not controlling a Lab, buy them, or tell them to buy, a Dogmatic.
A trained dog, no matter what size, will do as it's owner commands them, unlike a cat which owns the person who gives it board and lodgings.
A trained dog, no matter what size, will do as it's owner commands them, unlike a cat which owns the person who gives it board and lodgings.
Cats an irresistible target for a mutt.!
My mother has this problem a bit with her dog but it was a stray, not huge either think it's some kind pyrenean large terrior.
My sister who has two of similar bought one those electric zapper lead things. Cos one of them does exactly what it wants, regardless
My mother has this problem a bit with her dog but it was a stray, not huge either think it's some kind pyrenean large terrior.
My sister who has two of similar bought one those electric zapper lead things. Cos one of them does exactly what it wants, regardless
We have another older neighbour with a terribly yappy miniature of a miniature creature known as Yorkie. He's smaller than my cat and still goes mental at them, although my cats would rip his tiny ears out, if given a chance! So, yes, size isn't everything, training matters and all that, and the natural instinct plays involuntary role. Even then the size of the dog is worth considering because bigger the dog is, heavier it is, and more difficult to pull back if you're a three-footer 80+ bag of bones with bent spine.
21 August 2015, 05:46 PM
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Those bloody Labradors should be put on the dangerous dog list, ours keeps barking at the postman, and chasing a cat??? have you reported it to the police and local newspaper yet???
Being serious now, and my own opinion to your question "Would a smaller dog be better for her"
It always comes down to the owner of the dog, were always quick to judge the animal, but generally if the owner is lazy and doesn't show it right from wrong then the dog will never learn(same principal as a child really)
Our Labrador is great with kids and listens to me my partner and 7 year old son, and in the same situation with the cat, I would only have to raise my voice and he would no better then to chase the cat and make me look a complete idiot.
But a smaller dog, can be just as bad with pulling on the lead, my mother in law has a little dog, and trust me when he pulls on the lead I can feel it, and a older person would still have trouble trying to keep hold of it.
Being serious now, and my own opinion to your question "Would a smaller dog be better for her"
It always comes down to the owner of the dog, were always quick to judge the animal, but generally if the owner is lazy and doesn't show it right from wrong then the dog will never learn(same principal as a child really)
Our Labrador is great with kids and listens to me my partner and 7 year old son, and in the same situation with the cat, I would only have to raise my voice and he would no better then to chase the cat and make me look a complete idiot.
But a smaller dog, can be just as bad with pulling on the lead, my mother in law has a little dog, and trust me when he pulls on the lead I can feel it, and a older person would still have trouble trying to keep hold of it.
21 August 2015, 06:47 PM
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Those bloody Labradors should be put on the dangerous dog list, ours keeps barking at the postman, and chasing a cat??? have you reported it to the police and local newspaper yet???
Being serious now, and my own opinion to your question "Would a smaller dog be better for her"
It always comes down to the owner of the dog, were always quick to judge the animal, but generally if the owner is lazy and doesn't show it right from wrong then the dog will never learn(same principal as a child really)
Our Labrador is great with kids and listens to me my partner and 7 year old son, and in the same situation with the cat, I would only have to raise my voice and he would no better then to chase the cat and make me look a complete idiot.
But a smaller dog, can be just as bad with pulling on the lead, my mother in law has a little dog, and trust me when he pulls on the lead I can feel it, and a older person would still have trouble trying to keep hold of it.
Being serious now, and my own opinion to your question "Would a smaller dog be better for her"
It always comes down to the owner of the dog, were always quick to judge the animal, but generally if the owner is lazy and doesn't show it right from wrong then the dog will never learn(same principal as a child really)
Our Labrador is great with kids and listens to me my partner and 7 year old son, and in the same situation with the cat, I would only have to raise my voice and he would no better then to chase the cat and make me look a complete idiot.
But a smaller dog, can be just as bad with pulling on the lead, my mother in law has a little dog, and trust me when he pulls on the lead I can feel it, and a older person would still have trouble trying to keep hold of it.
, as you know, that it's not about naming and shaming a particular breed or slagging the dogs in general off. We all know how kind the Labs are believed to be. Saying that, if that Tilly the Lab had hurt/killed my cat as well as toppled his owner over/dragged her along obliviously, then I would have slagged it off, Lab or not. 
If Tilly had toppled the ancient owner as well as hurt my cat, that would have been double tragedy. But even if it were the fragile owner only that got dragged/toppled over and damaged, that's bad and sad enough tbh.With just a little dog being so pushy....errr....pully with your mum in law, imagine if he were much bigger, weighed a lot more and /or had more strength. Then what would happen, hm? IMO your Mum in law's health and safety would be much more compromised. Your mum in law would get dragged on the pavement by him, if he ever went mental at the sight of a strange cat and ran after it like a loose cannon.
So the bigness of the dog may not seem to be the sole issue, but at the same time, it is an issue. Yes? And if even little dogs can be as pully, as you say, then shall we conclude that older OAP people shouldn't have dogs at all, neither big nor small, because either type can be very pully and hazardous?
Perhaps they should just have a hamster each, not even a cat or even a rat. Well, I'm not going to say that. I don't want my head bitten here by the dog lovers, even when these dog lovers may not necessarily have major liking for older OAP people.
21 August 2015, 09:44 PM
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Safest thing is to get one of these.
Feckin cats. Sh1tting everywhere. How can something demonstrating affection basically sink it's feckin claws into you, just to "get comfy"?
B@stards.
Feckin cats. Sh1tting everywhere. How can something demonstrating affection basically sink it's feckin claws into you, just to "get comfy"?
B@stards.
21 August 2015, 10:41 PM
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scoobyDoo555, 
Cats are adorable and their comfy claw digging on your skin makes you feel alive!
Not their angry clawing, though. If you moider them too much, they may ruthlessly slap you one and that would draw blood off you. 
Cats are adorable and their comfy claw digging on your skin makes you feel alive!
Not their angry clawing, though. If you moider them too much, they may ruthlessly slap you one and that would draw blood off you.
22 August 2015, 05:45 PM
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22 August 2015, 05:59 PM
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Agreed 👍 I think the east 17 idiots wiv the staffys need to give there head a wobble letting there dogs run about without a lead coz if one runs out after my cats and I run it over they gonna be stuck with a bill to fix the Scooby aswell as a foot up there *** for letting there dog get my cats , anyway only came on to ask if anyone has done a google plus account and if some one anyone on here could make one and can we have a scoobynet on gplus plz 👍
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Agreed 👍 I think the east 17 idiots wiv the staffys need to give there head a wobble letting there dogs run about without a lead coz if one runs out after my cats and I run it over they gonna be stuck with a bill to fix the Scooby aswell as a foot up there *** for letting there dog get my cats , anyway only came on to ask if anyone has done a google plus account and if some one anyone on here could make one and can we have a scoobynet on gplus plz 👍
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Those Yorkies were terribly yappy, though.
22 August 2015, 08:39 PM
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Agreed 👍 I think the east 17 idiots wiv the staffys need to give there head a wobble letting there dogs run about without a lead coz if one runs out after my cats and I run it over they gonna be stuck with a bill to fix the Scooby aswell as a foot up there *** for letting there dog get my cats , anyway only came on to ask if anyone has done a google plus account and if some one anyone on here could make one and can we have a scoobynet on gplus plz 👍
cats are god awful creatures, more like vermin than anything useful, hence why its not a legal requirement to inform anyone when you run one over, but it is a dog....
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If you ran over my dog regardless of the reason I would definitely not be paying for your car, probably setting it on fire more likely!
cats are god awful creatures, more like vermin than anything useful, hence why its not a legal requirement to inform anyone when you run one over, but it is a dog....
cats are god awful creatures, more like vermin than anything useful, hence why its not a legal requirement to inform anyone when you run one over, but it is a dog....
22 August 2015, 08:51 PM
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Also, please do not resort to running over someone's dog for attacking someone's cat and setting someone's cars on fire in revenge etc. even hypothetically. That's worse than slagging the cats off! No need for that. Johnny was only messing, I think. He wasn't serious. Calm down and play nicely. Thanks. 
23 August 2015, 06:26 AM
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I can see your point as whatever your pet is we want to protect it from harm from anything but iv got quite a few dogs and cats that live by me and the only ones that cause me any Argo is the cats , they crap in my garden and on my drive , make all sorts of noises in the night and walk over the roof of my car leaving crappy paw prints everywhere ,don't get any dogs doing that around here no matter how big or small they are and it's illegal not to clean up after your dog unlike a stinky cat so when I see a cat in my garden I let my jack Russell out to see if she can catch it and one day she probably will and it's no ones fault but the owners of said cat as she is only protecting her garden
23 August 2015, 11:14 AM
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I can see your point as whatever your pet is we want to protect it from harm from anything but iv got quite a few dogs and cats that live by me and the only ones that cause me any Argo is the cats , they crap in my garden and on my drive , make all sorts of noises in the night and walk over the roof of my car leaving crappy paw prints everywhere ,don't get any dogs doing that around here no matter how big or small they are and it's illegal not to clean up after your dog unlike a stinky cat so when I see a cat in my garden I let my jack Russell out to see if she can catch it and one day she probably will and it's no ones fault but the owners of said cat as she is only protecting her garden
Domino46, the real point on this thread, which you don't see, is to discuss the logic/ill logic behind an older person with frail body and ailments etc. keeping a dog that they cannot control. But as it happens on Scoobynet, people deviate from the main point and such thread end up with some very ill-wishing comments against cats.
Tilly the Lab broke loose off his ancient owner, trespassed MY territory, broke MY peace with its slipping-all-over bull$h1t chase after MY cat in MY backyard with the intention to kill MY beloved cat for NO reason, so I can say that I should wish that dog a serious harm. I don't. Animals have uncontrollable natural instincts and they could kill each other with their inability to see how moral/immoral it is to kill someone else's pet. As a human blessed with common sense, ability to reason and see what's what, I will never wish anyone's pet dead even if they kill my pet. In short term I'll certainly be distraught and angry with them for not controlling their pet, and in long term, I'd wish for the owners to develop their ability to control their dog properly in future, or have a dog they can control, or don't have a dog at all, if they simply can't control one.
I'd never wish for my Jack Russell to one day 'get' any cat that ruins my garden with its poo. Instead I'd find other ways to keep the cats out. Not that they threaten my or my dog's life or anything.
We're all different, and some of us don't come down to the 'animal level' to deal with the animal folly, unless our own life is threatened. It doesn't mean we don't love and value our pet cat's life equally. It just means that we have more sense and we were just terribly unfortunate to lose our beloved pet in a cruel game of Nature. Prevention is the key, and therefore, controlling the predator is very important.
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23 August 2015, 02:58 PM
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Exactly.
I've just found this on a dog website:
Source:http://www.dogchatforum.com/dogs-for-older-people.htm
I'm glad some dog expert also thinks that pet companions should be chosen for/by older and/or disabled people with ample thought given to it, which must involve the issue of mutual suitability on all known levels.
It's not just about others' pets being harmed, it's also about the probability of the dog owner senior citizen getting unintentionally damaged by dog.
I've just found this on a dog website:
Physical and Mental Abilities
As we age, our physical and mental abilities wane to various degrees. One of my mentors, who must be in her late seventies by now, was involved with Irish Setter rescue. She knew the breed inside and out. She overestimated her abilities that day and did something in her heart she knew was risky: walking two foster dogs at once. In addition, she paid for it big time. Both her kneecaps were broken when the dogs pulled her down. In one week, three seniors with dog issues contacted me. In two cases, it was a case of a dog not suited for the home and owners definitely not being able to manage the dog or meet the dog’s physical needs. The third had assistance with the dog but just needed a bit of guidance as to maintaining control of a dog that was a far better match physically.
Just because you grew up with Great Danes and had them for years does not mean that you should own one now. Another mentor of mine was a long time Great Dane and Basenji exhibitor. She is no longer. The last two dogs I knew she had were two rescue Greyhounds. What you could handle will change over the years. Can you handle the sheer strength of the dog should the dog decide to go one direction and it does not coincide with your plan? No matter how well trained a dog is, there will always be that one temptation too great. If your balance is off, your body weaker or your senses not as acute, you could get seriously injured not to mention have your dog get into a dangerous situation. Can you physically keep up with an active dog? Just because you had Vizslas in the past does not mean you can keep up with the level of activity this breed needs to be happy now. It is hard to give up what we loved in the past, but a big part of responsible dog ownership, regardless of our age, is admitting to what we can and cannot manage.
Ability to handle a dog
Many older people end up with medium-high to higher energy dogs and just cannot keep up with what the dog needs. The dog becomes “hyper” and a total nuisance. There is little behavior modification can do if the physical needs of the dog cannot be adequately met. Never let breed category (i.e. Working, Herding, etc), size or looks fool you. Just because a dog is categorized as Toy or Non Sporting does not mean lower energy. Many Toy and Non Sporting breeds are quite high energy. Small does not mean lower energy either. However, from a strength position, smaller dogs may be easier to handle with the exception of some breeds. Just because a breed looks sloppy and lazy does not mean it is. Just because a breed is smaller does not mean it will be meek or timid. You need to get out and handle different dogs to help decide what is best for your abilities.
The right match with the right person
Once that desired match is made, retired adult have much more to offer than the average family: time. A retired person taking dog management seriously and desires a friendly, outgoing companion has far more time to devote to creating this. The right match with the right person who is going to be dedicated to properly keeping a dog is a wonderful thing. However, be honest with your abilities as you age and choose the proper dog accordingly. Bear in mind, that should you decide you cannot own a dog; there are many other pets that require far less physical ability than dogs.
As we age, our physical and mental abilities wane to various degrees. One of my mentors, who must be in her late seventies by now, was involved with Irish Setter rescue. She knew the breed inside and out. She overestimated her abilities that day and did something in her heart she knew was risky: walking two foster dogs at once. In addition, she paid for it big time. Both her kneecaps were broken when the dogs pulled her down. In one week, three seniors with dog issues contacted me. In two cases, it was a case of a dog not suited for the home and owners definitely not being able to manage the dog or meet the dog’s physical needs. The third had assistance with the dog but just needed a bit of guidance as to maintaining control of a dog that was a far better match physically.
Just because you grew up with Great Danes and had them for years does not mean that you should own one now. Another mentor of mine was a long time Great Dane and Basenji exhibitor. She is no longer. The last two dogs I knew she had were two rescue Greyhounds. What you could handle will change over the years. Can you handle the sheer strength of the dog should the dog decide to go one direction and it does not coincide with your plan? No matter how well trained a dog is, there will always be that one temptation too great. If your balance is off, your body weaker or your senses not as acute, you could get seriously injured not to mention have your dog get into a dangerous situation. Can you physically keep up with an active dog? Just because you had Vizslas in the past does not mean you can keep up with the level of activity this breed needs to be happy now. It is hard to give up what we loved in the past, but a big part of responsible dog ownership, regardless of our age, is admitting to what we can and cannot manage.
Ability to handle a dog
Many older people end up with medium-high to higher energy dogs and just cannot keep up with what the dog needs. The dog becomes “hyper” and a total nuisance. There is little behavior modification can do if the physical needs of the dog cannot be adequately met. Never let breed category (i.e. Working, Herding, etc), size or looks fool you. Just because a dog is categorized as Toy or Non Sporting does not mean lower energy. Many Toy and Non Sporting breeds are quite high energy. Small does not mean lower energy either. However, from a strength position, smaller dogs may be easier to handle with the exception of some breeds. Just because a breed looks sloppy and lazy does not mean it is. Just because a breed is smaller does not mean it will be meek or timid. You need to get out and handle different dogs to help decide what is best for your abilities.
The right match with the right person
Once that desired match is made, retired adult have much more to offer than the average family: time. A retired person taking dog management seriously and desires a friendly, outgoing companion has far more time to devote to creating this. The right match with the right person who is going to be dedicated to properly keeping a dog is a wonderful thing. However, be honest with your abilities as you age and choose the proper dog accordingly. Bear in mind, that should you decide you cannot own a dog; there are many other pets that require far less physical ability than dogs.
I'm glad some dog expert also thinks that pet companions should be chosen for/by older and/or disabled people with ample thought given to it, which must involve the issue of mutual suitability on all known levels.
It's not just about others' pets being harmed, it's also about the probability of the dog owner senior citizen getting unintentionally damaged by dog.
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23 August 2015, 03:08 PM
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PS: Regarding the vid in #27, the lady doesn't deserve that dog because doesn't even know that she shouldn't fly a frisbee and tempt the dog go after it while the dog's leash is still strongly held in her hand. I feel bad for her because if the vid is real , I bet she was damaged a bit. But to tell you the truth, what a muppet! It's her who needs to get trained in how to look after/exercise the dog before we can even absurdly contemplate training the poor dog for not going after the flying saucer whilst attached to the owner with a loosely held leash.
, I bet she was damaged a bit. But to tell you the truth, what a muppet! It's her who needs to get trained in how to look after/exercise the dog before we can even absurdly contemplate training the poor dog for not going after the flying saucer whilst attached to the owner with a loosely held leash.
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23 August 2015, 03:27 PM
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I have a smallish bull terrier and boy can he pull also can be a hand full at times. So I get exactly what your saying,
Just like a pensioner with a 22b.
Just like a pensioner with a 22b.