Grant Shapps - how do they have the nerve?
25 January 2015, 01:05 PM
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Grant Shapps - how do they have the nerve?
Conservative Party chairman Grant Shapps today actually had the gall to state the Conservatives were the only party offering "complete control" over immigration and Europe.
How can these people sleep at night when they are prepared to lie so utterly and completely.
In May 2014 David Cameron insisted his aim of getting net migration to the UK down to below 100,000 before May 2015 remained "perfectly achievable".
Three months later when it was revealed it had risen by 40000 to nearly 250000 he declared it was because he had no control over Europe and immigration therein.
The fact that nothing had changed in terms of control since he made his election lie... sorry promise... went unmentioned of course.
Now Shapps claims they offer complete control over Europe and immigration.
Liars, the lot of them!
How can these people sleep at night when they are prepared to lie so utterly and completely.
In May 2014 David Cameron insisted his aim of getting net migration to the UK down to below 100,000 before May 2015 remained "perfectly achievable".
Three months later when it was revealed it had risen by 40000 to nearly 250000 he declared it was because he had no control over Europe and immigration therein.
The fact that nothing had changed in terms of control since he made his election lie... sorry promise... went unmentioned of course.
Now Shapps claims they offer complete control over Europe and immigration.
Liars, the lot of them!
25 January 2015, 01:37 PM
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Well they did scrap the UK boarder Agency. 
Once they've finished messing about with restructuring and redundancy+rehiring packages as well as the pension quibbles and independent inquiries, then maybe the same people that used to work for the Agency that's now working for the re-branded UK boarder Force can have another look at controlling things...
...maybe...that's wishful thinking by the way
Once they've finished messing about with restructuring and redundancy+rehiring packages as well as the pension quibbles and independent inquiries, then maybe the same people that used to work for the Agency that's now working for the re-branded UK boarder Force can have another look at controlling things...
...maybe...that's wishful thinking by the way
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25 January 2015, 02:08 PM
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I predict that the miracle of the internet is such that, SHOULD he ever actually leave, he'll still be on here slagging off GB from behind his new Australian keyboard. The only difference will be his increased credibility as he tells everyone how marvellous OZ is (and by inference how he has yet again demostrated his superiority over the rest of the lemmings left behind).
25 January 2015, 02:25 PM
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I predict that the miracle of the internet is such that, SHOULD he ever actually leave, he'll still be on here slagging off GB from behind his new Australian keyboard. The only difference will be his increased credibility as he tells everyone how marvellous OZ is (and by inference how he has yet again demostrated his superiority over the rest of the lemmings left behind).
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26 January 2015, 04:13 PM
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Well lets be fair, they did stop a lot of people coming from out of Europe, it may have been to try and compensate for having no control over people from Europe but at least they tried. 
It bugs me that UKIP are seen as the racists, at least they want fair for all and not just "take who we have too".
It bugs me that UKIP are seen as the racists, at least they want fair for all and not just "take who we have too".
26 January 2015, 04:26 PM
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26 January 2015, 04:35 PM
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26 January 2015, 04:43 PM
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Yes he is!
I will implement Leveson. Oh no I won't.
I will get net immigration down. Oh no I won't
I will cut welfare spending. It's gone up.
I will spend more on the NHS each year. It's gone down.
I have created 1 million new jobs. Ah not really as of course more than half of them are reclassifications from the public sector to the private sector, self employed or zero hours contracts.
And so on and so forth.
The key is he knew he was telling untruths in the first place. I could forgive him if he said what he said with a real belief and then things went pear shaped, but he knows he can't deliver when he opens his mouth.
Miliband and Clegg are no better btw!
I will implement Leveson. Oh no I won't.
I will get net immigration down. Oh no I won't
I will cut welfare spending. It's gone up.
I will spend more on the NHS each year. It's gone down.
I have created 1 million new jobs. Ah not really as of course more than half of them are reclassifications from the public sector to the private sector, self employed or zero hours contracts.
And so on and so forth.
The key is he knew he was telling untruths in the first place. I could forgive him if he said what he said with a real belief and then things went pear shaped, but he knows he can't deliver when he opens his mouth.
Miliband and Clegg are no better btw!
26 January 2015, 05:09 PM
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Yes he is!
I will implement Leveson. Oh no I won't.
I will get net immigration down. Oh no I won't
I will cut welfare spending. It's gone up.
I will spend more on the NHS each year. It's gone down.
I have created 1 million new jobs. Ah not really as of course more than half of them are reclassifications from the public sector to the private sector, self employed or zero hours contracts.
And so on and so forth.
The key is he knew he was telling untruths in the first place. I could forgive him if he said what he said with a real belief and then things went pear shaped, but he knows he can't deliver when he opens his mouth.
Miliband and Clegg are no better btw!
I will implement Leveson. Oh no I won't.
I will get net immigration down. Oh no I won't
I will cut welfare spending. It's gone up.
I will spend more on the NHS each year. It's gone down.
I have created 1 million new jobs. Ah not really as of course more than half of them are reclassifications from the public sector to the private sector, self employed or zero hours contracts.
And so on and so forth.
The key is he knew he was telling untruths in the first place. I could forgive him if he said what he said with a real belief and then things went pear shaped, but he knows he can't deliver when he opens his mouth.
Miliband and Clegg are no better btw!
If you call these lies then you are holding politicians to impossible standards.
There's a world of difference between being wrong and lying.
26 January 2015, 05:15 PM
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These are lies in the same way that I 'lied' to my mum yesterday when i said I'd be round hers by 7:30 but got caught up in some traffic and arrived at 7:45.
If you call these lies then you are holding politicians to impossible standards.
There's a world of difference between being wrong and lying.
If you call these lies then you are holding politicians to impossible standards.
There's a world of difference between being wrong and lying.
That is the funniest post on SN in a long while.So failing to regulate the press or cut welfare spending carries as much gravitas as being 15 minutes late for seeing your Mum. Who is she? The Queen?
26 January 2015, 05:35 PM
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OK, so do we have a link yet or any other clue as to where the interview took place where Shapps used the actual words "complete control"? I know he's a politician, but to be making this specific claim seems like a bit of a stretch even for one of those. 
26 January 2015, 05:53 PM
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Farage hits back at defecting MP
But reading it now there is no mention of it. However it was there as I read it and digging I found this which is a relay of the article as was onto another site:
Farage hits back at defecting MP
And there is the quote as was in the original BBC article.
One can only wonder as to why the BBC removed it.... independent and neutral my ****!
26 January 2015, 06:01 PM
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Grant Shapps is the very epitome of a shyster
An Internet snake oil "get rich quick" merchant who used to ply is vainglorious bullsh1t around the www under the pseudonym of Micheal Green
Why he is given the time of day is a mystery
He promised to do a 1 for 1 deal with housing, one sold, one built - but it never happened, oh they sold one they just did not build one - just so much cr4p like his get rich quick schemes
An Internet snake oil "get rich quick" merchant who used to ply is vainglorious bullsh1t around the www under the pseudonym of Micheal Green
Why he is given the time of day is a mystery
He promised to do a 1 for 1 deal with housing, one sold, one built - but it never happened, oh they sold one they just did not build one - just so much cr4p like his get rich quick schemes
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