Seems from the wiring regs. that you need an isolating transformer for a bathroom sited shaver socket (never used for shaving - just charging the toothbrush ...). Now I really do not want a stupidly thick slab of double socket sitting on the bathroom wall being an eyesore (and I'm not going to do any sort of real makeover where I can hide it somewhere) so .... a query which I can't find a definitive answer to:

does the isolating transformer have to be integral to the socket? That is, can it be mounted remotely? (In this case it'd be in the loft as the socket is wired from the upstairs lights).

If it can be mounted remotely, can anyone point me at one ....? (Actually I have found one - Shaver V-1010 Decorshave 240V white shaver socket with transformer. - Bathroom Taps and Showers (http://www.taps4less.com/PP/V-1010.html) )

From a schematic I saw it would appear that it's mounted in 'zone 3' in the bathroom. On the window wall at a height of about 6'

Ta in advance

Dave

You can get shaver sockets that are only the size of a single socket; as opposed to the typical double socket variety.

Bit harder to find, but they do exist...have one at work :D (and don't ask why we have a shaver socket at work ;) ).

Edit: Ahh, looks like the single type aren't supposed to be used in bathrooms :rolleyes:

I can't see why it can't be allowed if you have one fed off a seperate RCD'd supply....like other bathroom appliances in the high risk zone, like shower pumps and whirlpool/jacuzzis (In situations where the pump is right next to the bath).

Because with an isolating transformer you cannot get a shock to earth, with a RCD a small ammount of current has to flow to earth before the device can operate

You can get electrocuted by an isolation transforer as well, shoud one get connected between the live and neutral. And seeing its wired on a 3amp fuse (or 5amp lighting ring), you can and will get a shock.

Out of date UK regs: it dates back to the 1930s!

You can get electrocuted by an isolation transforer as well, shoud one get connected between the live and neutral. And seeing its wired on a 3amp fuse (or 5amp lighting ring), you can and will get a shock.

Out of date UK regs: it dates back to the 1930s!

Obviously you can still get a shock between phase and netural, just as you can with a RCD, otherwise no electrial load would work

And it doesn't matter when the regulation was written, its still a regulation, even in BS7671:2008

btw. what is a lighting ring?? been a sparks for almost 20 years now, and i've never heard of one :wonder:

Of course; regs are regs. Can't escape it.

Funny that as we embrace "EU" wiring colours, we are yet to embrace their standards for sockets in bathrooms :D

Anyway, Lighting ring? Heard of a ring main? Well this is for the lights. As in the lighting circuit .

Obviously casual sparks terminology changes as well as regional dialect. I got it from the spark I used to work with (admittedly, he was shyte - didn't understand the importance of balancing loads across phases :rolleyes: ).

Of course; regs are regs. Can't escape it.

Funny that as we embrace "EU" wiring colours, we are yet to embrace their standards for sockets in bathrooms :D

Anyway, Lighting ring? Heard of a ring main? Well this is for the lights. As in the lighting circuit .

Obviously casual sparks terminology changes as well as regional dialect. I got it from the spark I used to work with (admittedly, he was shyte - didn't understand the importance of balancing loads across phases :rolleyes: ).

Don't wish to be pedantic but lighting circuits, unlike ring mains, do not come back round to the distribution unit (i.e. in a ring). Therefore you can't call it a lighting ring :p

you can if you wire it like that :p

Christmas lights :lol1:

Of course; regs are regs. Can't escape it.

Funny that as we embrace "EU" wiring colours, we are yet to embrace their standards for sockets in bathrooms :D

Anyway, Lighting ring? Heard of a ring main? Well this is for the lights. As in the lighting circuit .

Obviously casual sparks terminology changes as well as regional dialect. I got it from the spark I used to work with (admittedly, he was shyte - didn't understand the importance of balancing loads across phases :rolleyes: ).


Yeah of course i've heard of a 'Ring Main' its what is used to feed between substations to allow sections to be turned off without interupting the supply, you're obviously getting it confused with a ring circuit, and as mentioned before there is no such thing as a 'lighting ring' for the reason mentioned by another poster.

I'm not getting confused...its just what we called it. I know its not looped back to the consumer unit, like a radial circuit. Its just what we call the light circuit - nothing more.

Also called it a lighting loop, depending on mood :D And still called a non-ring, ring main a ring main. ;)

There is no need to be pedantic about the words; regs dictate how light circuits should be wired. So long as its physically correct; that's what matters.

But I'd dare not try and describe the "correct" wiring layout for each circuit type. Because, as always a 'net "expert" will pick out the incorrect details in my hasty explaination :rolleyes:


Oh the confusion interpolating words can cause for some poor folk; ask for a cuppa, and one gets a cup with no tea. Ask for a persuation device (hammer) and one gets a hypnotist, ask for a fag, and one gets confonted by a homosexual. Ask for a voltmeter (intending on getting a multimeter) and one gets a metre that only reads volts. Ask for a socket set, and you get a box of wall sockets, Ask for four candles, get a fork handle. :lol1: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu9MptWyCB8)