View Full Version : 450D vs 1D Mark 2
KiwiGTI 05 May 2008, 19:16 Off to Asia for a month soon and am having reservation about carrying the 1D around everywhere due to the size.
Anyone know what the 450D is like, on paper it looks very well specced. Will be using a 28-70L 2.8 and 70-200L 2.8 for my lenses.
Reckon it's worth getting for the trip, or would you stick to the 1D.
Would I get better photos with the 450D because of the later technology and newer sensor?
Pumpkin 05 May 2008, 19:58 Buy one, use it for a month and flog it afterwards - I bet you wouldn't loose much in terms of value.
If any thief knows anything about cameras, he will know the value of your lenses. Bit obvious aren't they?
If I felt at risk, and if I could afford it, I'd buy a 450D and EF-S 17-85mm IS lens, plus a couple of memory cards. That's it. Download the cards each day to save the memories.
Good luck,
Richard.
And Jessops this weekend have had the 450D for sale with 18-55 kit lens with IS and a Tamron 70-300 (equivalent to the Sigma 70-300 APO DG, in fact gets slightly better reviews) and a 4Gb memory card, and a Camera Bag worth approx 50 quid all for 569.99 including free delivery, that is a bargain and the cheapest 450D I could find on the net, so a mate from work bought it :D it was only an extra 20 quid for the Tamron Lens, which at Jessops is normally 199 but most places you can pick it up for around 100 quid
KiwiGTI 05 May 2008, 23:25 If any thief knows anything about cameras, he will know the value of your lenses. Bit obvious aren't they?
If I felt at risk, and if I could afford it, I'd buy a 450D and EF-S 17-85mm IS lens, plus a couple of memory cards. That's it. Download the cards each day to save the memories.
Good luck,
Richard.
It's really not about safety or theft, it's more about the size and lugging it around in 35+ degree heat. The lenses are pretty much non-negotiable as I specifically want to try and get good quality shots.
The 1D obviously is ruggedized and has more professional type features, but I would be interested in the actual image quality and processing by a much newer camera, which is also 13+MP
I think the 2.8 is invaluable at things like cultural shows that are indoors at night.
ChefDude 06 May 2008, 07:30 isn't this the difference between 2.7kg and 2.2kg, half a kilo between 1d and 450d weight, assuming you have a 70-200 f/2.8 on the end of it?
Surely you've already committed to carrying weight. go with the 1D. if you have to spend more money, get another lens, like an 85mm f/1.8.
Pumpkin 06 May 2008, 08:15 camera would be better balanced with the 1d on the end.
If size and weight are an issue at certain times, why not take the 1D and a G9?
If size and weight are an issue at certain times, why not take the 1D and a G9?
Forget the 1D and just do what I've just done and get a Powershot G9 - superb piece of kit and fits in the pocket...
I had the same dilemma - I'm currently in New Orleans on business and wanted to bring a camera to get some good photos.... Couldn't decide whether to take my 10D or my 1Ds, with 70-200 f2.8 etc... and whilst thinking that the photos would be great, the white lenses would look a bit obvious....
So - left it all at home and bought a G9 at 'BestBuy' for $449... 12.1MP, 38-210mm equiv zoom, IS, magnesium body, shoots RAW, etc. etc... bloody fantastic bit of kit and great for taking on holiday in my opinion. No brainer really... it's even got a hot-shoe so I can slap a 580EX or summut on it!
Just get one!
DN
I tend to take specific kit for specific tasks. As this is not possible in your case, I would just take my G7 (almost dentical to G9) and work around any equipment shortcomings. Super camera you will never regret buying.
On the other hand a 450D would make a great back-up camera under any circumstances, as would a 350D or 400D. I keep my old 350D for just this purpose, plus it's so small and light.
Richard.
GarethE 08 May 2008, 00:08 Ask yourself why am I going ?
If its to take the best pics you can, and its important to get the photos you want, then take the gear to do the job - that doesn't mean taking a new camera thats untested and unfamiliar.
If its a holiday/business trip and photos are secondary, then is it worth taking your main kit, both photographically and logisically - if not get a G9
Why spend all that money on decent kit if when you go somewhere worth using it, your not prepared to take it - use the money you'd spend on a new camera on decent worldwide camera insurance, and back up your pics on a mobile drive incase the worst happens and your kit does get stolen (Unlikely!!!!!!!!)
Sounds to me that you fancy a change of camera body and looking for an excuse ;)
You've said that the lenses are non-negotiable, so if you'll end up with a D1 MkIIn body at home all alone if your kit gets nicked anyway (as I said, unlikely)
Gareth
leerjwd 08 May 2008, 17:43 Forget the 1D and just do what I've just done and get a Powershot G9 - superb piece of kit and fits in the pocket...
I had the same dilemma - I'm currently in New Orleans on business and wanted to bring a camera to get some good photos.... Couldn't decide whether to take my 10D or my 1Ds, with 70-200 f2.8 etc... and whilst thinking that the photos would be great, the white lenses would look a bit obvious....
So - left it all at home and bought a G9 at 'BestBuy' for $449... 12.1MP, 38-210mm equiv zoom, IS, magnesium body, shoots RAW, etc. etc... bloody fantastic bit of kit and great for taking on holiday in my opinion. No brainer really... it's even got a hot-shoe so I can slap a 580EX or summut on it!
Just get one!
DN
Unfortunately the G9 SUCKS in low light/high ISO, it's not really usable at iso400, so that would knacker him for indoor shots that he mentioned.
alistair 08 May 2008, 19:41 I'm with the rest - if you're ataying somewhere secure, I'd take both my G7 & 1D - take the 1D out when I really need it and the G7 the rest of the time.
Personally I wouldn't bother with a smaller SLR with those lenses - you'll hate it. Also if you buy a G9 you'll keep it and use it for other things.
I've never regretted the G7 & 1DII combination.
Unfortunately the G9 SUCKS in low light/high ISO, it's not really usable at iso400, so that would knacker him for indoor shots that he mentioned.
Rubbish...
Have you actually used one or just read the 'reviews'???
I've been using mine in New Orleans Jazz clubs all week (and you don't get much darker) and it works well at 400, and even 800 is usable... and with IS it's possibe to hand-hold with longer shutter speeds. Not too sure about 1600 or 3200 though... but that said, I'd rather have a noisy image than no image at all!
As has been said, it's a toss up between image quality and usability/portability - but I'm very happy that I didn't bring a 1Ds with 70-200f/2.8 IS... You need at least one free hand when shooting in Bourbon St!
DN
Unfortunately the G9 SUCKS in low light/high ISO,
Rubbish...
Have to agree with leerjwd on this one - the G9 does suck in these areas, especially when compared to a dslr.
Shooting in RAW helps, but you still need to do a lot of post-processing to get acceptable results.
However, I also agree that it's better to have a noisy image than no image at all and that is where the G9 comes into its own (and why I bought one). :)
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