Merry Christmas Spurs fans :lol1: :D :D :D

I had Arsnal to win 2-1 Adebayour to score 1st 25/1, great pen Keano :thumb:

Hardly a masterclass from the top team of the premiership though was it, and at home. Only two goals against a team that didn't have a proper defence and a team the woeful Kaboul still manages to find a spot.

Also found it quite sad that the top team yet again fielded a team without any England capped players, indeed any English players that I could see. No wonder the national side can't qualify for Europe.

Thought it was quite a good performance from Spurs considering the hole they have been in for some time. Berbatov, possibly the most laziest player I have ever seen on a pitch.

Don't care ;) 3 points against the enemy no matter how they come are always gratefully received :D

As for that age old argument of no English players, there is good reason for that which has been covered many a time. When the massively over priced English players actually fall in price and in line with their skill then they may be worth purchasing. Look at the prices Wenger has paid for his players and then compare the price/valuations of the top English players in those positions. Foreign players all the way for me.

Spurs are just toss. Stupid Irish c0ck :rolleyes:

Foreign players all the way for me.

Just the attitude the game needs in England, UK even, after all our home teams failed to qualify for the upcoming Euros :thumb:

Who's a stupid Irish c0ck?

Just the attitude the game needs in England, UK even, after all our home teams failed to qualify for the upcoming Euros :thumb:

Sorry that has nothing to do with Arsenal and everything to do with the FA.

Football is a business and guess what, all the teams with English players are the ones not doing very well in the Premiership. The top four all have a very high number of foreign players and are very successful businesses because of it. Funnily enough the ones all spouting about how many English players they have are the ones not doing very well as a club or as a business simply because the successful business has to come from the football trophies.

Arsenal used to have the entire England back four as well as midfield players and strikers in the England set up. Once those players ended their careers at Arsenal there were no English players good enough to replace them who came at similar cost to foreign players.

Wenger's first priority is Arsenal football club, not playing/buying English players. He has bought a very good prospect in Theo Walcott and he will buy again if similar opportunities come up. However Wenger will never pay the outrageous prices for players such as Frank Lampard or Wayne Rooney because the same quality players can be had from abroad for a lot less money. Vieira, Petit, Fabregas, Flamini are prime examples of cheap buys turned into World class players in midfield. I don't know of any English midfielders with similar talent bought for the same money.

Football is a business first and foremost, something that Leeds Utd forgot about and looked what happened to them.

I haven't bothered to read your reply, save the first line, I know what it'll already say. Suffice to say, when all the top clubs, not just Arsenal, have the majority of their first team foreign players then this will not bode well for the national team, as bourne out by recent events.

You are correct, it is about the FA. However, how you expect these morons, who are in the pocket of Premiership clubs, to care, less do anything about it is beyond me. At least Blatter wants to limit foreign players. Biggest critic, one Mr Arsene Wenger, no surprise there then.

So rejoice Arsenal fan when you win the title next year, but spare a thought for all the England fans who will win sweet FA next summer due to our money obsessed footballing system based on foreign mercenaries.

:lol1: guess what? I'm an England fan! Guess what again? That's right Arsenal having more English players will have no effect on how well the England team performs.

I tell you who is to blame apart from the FA. The Government. Not just Labour but all political parties because who ever has been in power has not invested in sport in schools. 30 years ago I was at primary school and I did sports 1 afternoon a week for a couple of hours. My 10 year old son 30 years later does games one afternoon a week. In 30 years nothing has changed, there has been no investment in sport and encouragement at school to play sport. This is the reason why the UK does sh!t at the Olympics, at cricket, at football and just about any other sport.

The only time I played sport regularly was at public school and then it was rugby, hockey and cricket. Football was not an option. Even then it was only 3 afternoons a week including Saturdays for matches.

If the UK wants to produce sports stars then they better start making sport an integral and important part of schooling. 5 afternoons a week and sports clubs after school and at weekends is needed. A lot more academys are needed.

Look at Australia. They have an academy for everything and then look at their results at the Olympics and other sports such as cricket and rugby. They produce some of the best sports stars in the World along with the US and Russia. All down to sport being an important part of those countries education system.

I like it, everyone and their uncle is to blame apart from the teams at the highest levels who don't field a single Englishmen in their sides. Still, being an Arsenal fan you might as well support France next summer, not a total loss :)

I really hope the 5 foreigners to a team will become law.

I like it, everyone and their uncle is to blame apart from the teams at the highest levels who don't field a single Englishmen in their sides. Still, being an Arsenal fan you might as well support France next summer, not a total loss :)

I really hope the 5 foreigners to a team will become law.

OK can you please explain to me how Arsenal or any other English team not fielding a majority of English players is to blame? If the players were good enough and priced according to their ability then the top teams would buy them.

'Grass roots' is to blame. Its not just blaming anyone, the bare fact is this country does not invest in sport in schools where as the top sporting countries in the World do. I can't see how you can argue against that fact?

As for supporting France next Summer, no chance. I'll be supporting the Czech Republic and Holland because I like how both those teams play their football :)

Not fielding a majority of Englishmen on the team? There weren't ANY for Arsenal today. You seriously believe that only a smattering of Englishmen are represented by our very best premiership teams will have NO affect on our national sides performances?

The very fact that football clubs can and do source players from across the globe will have an effect. For every talented Englishman there will be 20 plus equally talended players around the world. When you have a totally open market then obviously our national stock will suffer due to the lack of games they will receive playing at the highest levels as clubs will be chasing the best talent available, which as I've already suggested 19 times out of 20 will be foregin.

Simply mouthing 'grass roots' as an excuse won't cut it when the field is already stacked against a home grown lad making it to a top team and having regular games.

But the problem is those 'home grown' lads have extortionate price tags from the lower league clubs compared to what you can pay for an equally or more talented player from abroad.

If you wanted to buy a new car and you could buy that same car in England and in say Spain but if you bought it from Spain it was 25% cheaper but exactly the same car are you telling me you would buy it from England just because you are buying it from an English company?

I'd buy it from the Spanish company because I wont pay over the odds for something. To me thats the same as a football club buying foreign players.

I'm a bit lost by this overpriced thing. Surely if they were overpriced then no-one would buy them? The market sets the price, just like anything else.

Part of our problem is that there is so much more money to be earnt here than from any other league which attracts a strong desire for foreigners to work here. It doesn't stop at players either, all the top clubs are foreign owned now and have no 'loyalty' to any English talent for the national good. I'd wager that some chairman of the big clubs know little about football, nor probably care, as their club is an investment vehicle.

The over priced thing comes from comparing what's available in the English leagues and their valuations to what players you can buy from abroad in the same positions. Wenger bought African players that have turned out to be very good for absolute peanuts. Players in the English Leagues would have cost far more to buy.

In fact if you look through the Arsenal squad most of them were all cheap buys with Walcott being one of the most expensive and he is the 'unproved' English talent. That really proves the point i'm trying to make. In fact another example was the price tag of Darren Bent when he joined Spurs. To me that was a ridiculous price after Henry had just sold for only 1/2 a million more.

The fact is English players are massively over priced compared to the foreign players with more skill.

Ok, before I go to watch M0tD (I'm the one "waving" at Robinson in the first half, if you see me) please answer me this question.

Why would you buy a Japanese car, if there are English cars with the same power etc?



We 'ate tot'nerm we 'ate tot'nerm..........

dont arsenal have an academy ? they could give local english youngsters a chance.

Why would you buy a Japanese car, if there are English cars with the same power etc?


FWIW I have owned a UK sports car that is much better drive than any Jap car I've owned. Have you?

Quite what owning a Japanese car has got to do with England not qualifying for the Euros escapes me :confused:

I happened to be there and it was fantastic (was in line with the 6 yard box when Bendtner came on and scored).

Who gives a f**k if Tottenham fielded some English players you LOST and that's all that matters to Arsenal.

Also England have won f**k all since 1966 when there were no (or very few) foreign players in the top division i suppose that's Arsenals' fault as well.

dont arsenal have an academy ? they could give local english youngsters a chance.

We do indeed, we have 6 English players in the main setup not many but it's a start.

I happened to be there and it was fantastic (was in line with the 6 yard box when Bendtner came on and scored).

Who gives a f**k if Tottenham fielded some English players you LOST and that's all that matters to Arsenal.

Also England have won f**k all since 1966 when there were no (or very few) foreign players in the top division i suppose that's Arsenals' fault as well.

But Arsenal have won nothing with all these foreigners yet.
How about a few seasons ago when the whole defence was English, plus Merson and Wrighty. You cant tell me that you would not want to see some English players in the Arsenal side, bought or through the academy

But Arsenal have won nothing with all these foreigners yet.
How about a few seasons ago when the whole defence was English, plus Merson and Wrighty. You cant tell me that you would not want to see some English players in the Arsenal side, bought or through the academy


Nope i'm not english so don't care what i want to see is exciting young and new talent to keep the team going if they are english fair enough but clubs are a business and have to make profits Wenger doesn't see English talent that can do it for Arsenal (yet)

But even when Arsenal gave players to the national squad they still won f**k all.

You cannot blame 1 team for the downfall of the national squad,isn't the national squad well equipped enough everybody goes on about how world class Lampard,Gerrard etc are but still cannot qualify for the Euro.

It's not the ability that is lacking just the pride.

Nope i'm not english so don't care

You being an Arsenal, I didn't think you would be ;)

You being an Arsenal, I didn't think you would be ;)

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Nice to see you've not commented on the other points;)

:lol1:

Nice to see you've not commented on the other points;)
He's a chelski fan - he can't comment on the lack of pride in Engerlish football as his team are only interested in how much money they can squeeze out of the Russian idiot :D.

Well done Villa for showing he millionaires what pride is all about :thumb:

He's a chelski fan - he can't comment on the lack of pride in Engerlish football as his team are only interested in how much money they can squeeze out of the Russian idiot :D.

Well done Villa for showing he millionaires what pride is all about :thumb:

Well done to the Arse for dropping another 2 pts and letting us take back our throne at the top of the Premiership :)

Simon

Well done to the Arse for dropping another 2 pts and letting us take back our throne at the top of the Premiership :)

Simon

Told you a couple of weeks ago I'm not premature with anything ;):D.

Long way to go. Enjoy your 3 days at the top :)

his team are only interested in how much money they can squeeze out of the Russian idiot :D.

Yeah, big fat idiot :thumb:

Alisher Usmanov, The World's Richest People - Forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/10/GIPI.html)

142nd richest in the world!!!! :lol1: call that rich :lol1:

Well done 'Boro for showing the millionaires what pride is all about :thumb:

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Merry Christmas Spurs fans :lol1: :D :D :D

Thanks, seeing Wenger moan as usual after his team failed to beat Portsmouth really made my Christmas. The guy is a legend :lol: :lol:

Thanks, seeing Wenger moan as usual after his team failed to beat Portsmouth really made my Christmas. The guy is a legend :lol: :lol:

Yeah - now that Jol's away we aint got anything to look forward to.

Randy Eros doesn't seem to have any sort of personality - is he a deaf mute ?