:notworthy As above i want to buy the anti lift kit as my scooby feels like it really rises, soooo have any of you got this fitted and what if any differences are there ? thanks for any replies:wonder: :norty:

I had this fitted along with solid drop links and uprated anti-roll bars, the difference was immense, but i couldn't comment on just the ALK on its own.:)

as above but make sure you get the alignment sorted immediately after fitting it

:notworthy As above i want to buy the anti lift kit as my scooby feels like it really rises, soooo have any of you got this fitted and what if any differences are there ? thanks for any replies:wonder: :norty:

Would the anti lift kit give dive instead?

I fitted the kit to replace the std. bushes on the wishbones with PU and the benefit of the ALK. Feels more solid / responsive, but not noticed a massive change in front end lift on power ... that was after a Powerstation bump steer mod & 4 wheel alignment session too.

For me, may be somehting in the ALK, I have one and not felt much difference, but ifchanging the bushes for PU then why not for the small extra expense.

PU bushes for the a/r bars & drop links ( or better drop links ) seem to give more noticable effect, as do thicker a/r bars.

Would the anti lift kit give dive instead?

I fitted the kit to replace the std. bushes on the wishbones with PU and the benefit of the ALK. Feels more solid / responsive, but not noticed a massive change in front end lift on power ... that was after a Powerstation bump steer mod & 4 wheel alignment session too.

For me, may be somehting in the ALK, I have one and not felt much difference, but ifchanging the bushes for PU then why not for the small extra expense.

PU bushes for the a/r bars & drop links ( or better drop links ) seem to give more noticable effect, as do thicker a/r bars.

not too sure if ive edited this correctly, but
i have uprated anti roll bushes front and rear/
interesting comments thou, thank you...
i think that uprating it will be best option as long as i get it set up. i plan to replace it myself... should be interesting LOL:cry: :cry:

The ALK actually dials OUT the anti lift in the standard geometry. This means that the front of the car will rise slightly more under acceleration. Trouble with anti lift geometry is that it places end loads on suspension bushes with the effect that it tries to jam the suspension. The ALK lets the suspension work more freely giving better grip on acceleration in tight bends. In addition the ALK dials in a bit more caster and improves dynamic camber - all very desirable. I have ALK on my 03STi and front grip is much improved. Can't say I notice the front rising much more despite my comment above.

Also got a ALK on my Sti!!,all of my chassis mods where noticeable at quite slow speeds but the ALK isn't,IMO you have to be really pushing the car to
notice a difference.
Mark

i had one fitted about 3 months ago along with spherical bearing droplinks, rear solid droplinks and thicker rear adjustable anti roll bar, and the difference is amazing, the car defo sits flatter through corners when accelerating and does not dive or squat as much as it did. best 120 quid i ever spent on the scoob

I fitted the kit to replace the std. bushes on the wishbones with PU and the benefit of the ALK. Feels more solid / responsive, but not noticed a massive change in front end lift on power ... that was after a Powerstation bump steer mod & 4 wheel alignment session too.

What is this Powerstation bump steer mod?

Adjusting the steering rack alignment so that the wheel track / camber etc do not change as the wheel moves up in an arc as the suspension compresses as you go over a bump.

Basically keeps the wheels in the right direction you are steering in not twitching off!

Is this bump steer mod easy to do? what's the cost?

bumpsteer mod does seem to work, but the downsisde will be that in a few thousand miles your steering will start to creak and groan, due to the rack mounts not being able to hold the rack firm whilst performing slow steering manouvers.

I removed mine as the creaking became so annoying

i have the alk on my car along with the full yes full range of powerflex & whiteline stuff yum yum it does help but you need the tracking doing asap & maybe the bump mod just in case ;-).

Is this bump steer mod easy to do? what's the cost?

Powerstation do it ... may be others, think it was around £60 a couple of years ago?

The rack mounts are moved a little to level off the track rods wirh wheel movement up and down, so removing changes during bump.

You would need alignment gear to do the mod, but is easy I guess if you have!

I do feel you need to approach the Impreza chassis with a range of mods that compliment each other.

These can be arranged in 'stages' of ever increasing complexity and effect (also cost of course).

First though, be sure you know what you want of the car.

a nice tweeked road only car, safe comfortable and sound? Simple cheap mods will transform the car to the one you thought Subaru should have made in the first place!

Road/track?
Start to get far more serious and compromising, harsh ride, demon in the bends

Flat-out racer?

Fit it all and start serious experimentation!
This is where I am right now.

If you go to the Power Station site, they do Stages too. No surprise as they have found the formula's that work!

Benefit from their experiences.
If you call them, click through to Curtis their expert on suspension. Mild mannered but knows what he is about.
He does my alignment now for the last 3 years. Wouldn't go anywhere else.
Tell him '911' sent you!

Graham

If you just want the 'pro lift' of the so called 'anti-lift kit' the foresters all have the revised geometry as stock, so get some take offs assuming the bushes are in good condition, what it won't give you is an uprated bush (although new poly bushes plus take off is probably cheaper than the ALK!) or more castor!

Simon

Is this bump steer mod easy to do? what's the cost?

i think i lowered my rack by about 4mm when i did my own bumpsteer mod, different cars will need different measurements, i took it off when i added the rear antiroll bar as i felt the car was to edgy on the power :D

I was lucky according to Power Station as my car was 'zero bump' after mods when they checked it.

Rare apparently. :D
Graham

contrary to it's name anit-lift kits don't actually stop the front from lifting at all, what it does is allow more camber to be dialled in when the wheels are corning hence allowing more grip and removing understeer. While you are going in a straight line they are generally set up to the same spec as standard.

The reason for this is that you don't need so much camber when going straight as you do in a bend.

It's what the Touring Cars have fitted for this very reason as most of them are fwd.

James.

I'm getting it fitted tomorrow and alignment set up and have already done the drop links, arb's and steering bushes, all whiteline, so will give my views over the weekend.

bumpsteer mod does seem to work, but the downsisde will be that in a few thousand miles your steering will start to creak and groan, due to the rack mounts not being able to hold the rack firm whilst performing slow steering manouvers.

I removed mine as the creaking became so annoying



put my mind at rest :thumb:

mine creaks like a good un after a track day

I used some PU steering rack bushes, about £15 a set, and my "loose - wandering " steering went away!

And no creaks either!

I have seen pics of my car launching before and after fitting the anti-lift kit. There is definitely a reduction in front end lift, and an increase in traction off the line.

Ditto:
DropShots Day (http://www.dropshots.com/daymainframe.php?userid=30239&cdate=20030131&cimg=0)

Well as (if you read the whiteline web page it confirms this http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles/Effect%20of%20WL%20ALK_b.pdf ) the so called ALK is actually pro lift, trying to improve the front end grip by inclining the lower arm so that traction forces the wheel down, there must be some other discrepancy between the vids such as changed springs or dampers etc.

Simon

I used some PU steering rack bushes, about £15 a set, and my "loose - wandering " steering went away!

And no creaks either!

So that's why mine wore out as well then. Couldn't understand why, but the creaks and groans were amazing :rolleyes:

I got a new set from a bloke I happened to be delivering too. He imports then from Australia. I think I paid about £20 for them, and he had all Impreza bushes in stock. Came with lub grease as well.

I can dig his details out if anyone is interested. His business is near Wookey Hole in Somerset :)

Cheers Phill

Well as (if you read the whiteline web page it confirms this http://www.whiteline.com.au/articles/Effect%20of%20WL%20ALK_b.pdf ) the so called ALK is actually pro lift, trying to improve the front end grip by inclining the lower arm so that traction forces the wheel down, there must be some other discrepancy between the vids such as changed springs or dampers etc.

Simon

Afraid not. Before the anti-lift kit, my car threw the nose in the air, and the rear tyres disappeared in the arches, while the front wheels spun.

After, the car stays almost flat and grips better at the front.

That's a very lengthy and overly ellaborate explanation whiteline provides. Point is, I'm very happy with there product, but that's not how it works on my car.

The description of the ALK is unfortunate, but they do work, so forget the name and feel the difference.
I would add you can get a terrific chassis if you add complimentary other components and a bloody good alignment after.

911 I agree they work the pro lift improves front end grip a lot which is why they ran so much on the group A rally cars, its just the non technical people on here who insist it reduces front end lift when its clearly designed to and will increase it under identical circumstances, but of course we all know how accurate seat of pants dyno's are so I guess their seat of pants G-force meters are just as good!

Simon

:D
Dead right.
If it works then use it/them .....goes for any mod really.

Mine are still on despite radical caster settings via the top mounts.

So is a ALK not needed if adjustable top mounts are fitted?