DOES ANY1 KNOW WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE!!


Unfortunatly had a BIKE accient on SUNDAY..
he was going around a roundabout & was following a car & there was a car on the inside of him going the same way..


Diagram lets say he is the PINK car
& the car on the inside is BLUE.
MATT was following a car in the same lane as him

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/baz69birds/about1.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/baz69birds/about1.jpg)

But the BLUE car on the INSIDE decided to Not go up the SLIP round,
But carry on around the roundabout.
Just missing the Back of the car MATT was following,
BUT SIDE SWIPING MATT over the front of the car across the BONNET,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/baz69birds/about2.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/baz69birds/about2.jpg)

& he is very BRUISED. & 1 BROKE TOE, lots of fricktion burns (skin on leather)
& a very damaged PRIDE.

he has found out from the crash team POLICE, that this is a 50 /50 accident,
the POLICE man said that the woman on the inside of the roundabout (BLUE CAR) Has all the right in the world to go around & around the round about without indicating at any time or USEING the mirrors & is aloud to cause as many acceidnets as she like BECAUSE there are NO LINES on the roundabout so if she wants to sit in that lane and keep going around she can.

HOW F0(KIN stupid, What did you learn on your driving leasons??
if your in the outside lane, you go left or straight!!!
IF on the inside lane you can go straight (if the road ahead has 2 lanes) or you go RIGHT.
use your MIRRORS & BLIND SPOT (must be double checked) when changing lanes.
(she admits not seeing him, although the rest of her POSSY, said matt passed them at over 200MPH, so i feel she also would have seen him, as all 3 cars where in a line playing FOLLOW MY LEADER)

So the leason to day is,
when you next go around a roundabout, do as you like, DONT LET any1 else know what your doing & what ever happens it wont be your fault???











P.S also after watching COPS with CAMERA'S its o.k to drive a car thats NOT yours without a liescence, or insurance, Because the JUGDE throughs it out, & let the bloke walk free..

So why do we BOTHER with tax & insurance, & a liescence???
P.S i know there are spelling mistakes.

The way I see it, the inside lane is for the first and second turns and the outside lane, entering the round-a-bout, is for the 3rd 4th turns :).

So the woman should have gone straight on, and the motorcyclist shouldn't?

I hope your friend makes a speedy recovery, and its all sorted out :)

Sounds to me that your mate put himself in a vulnerable position and whatever the rights and wrongs of this event, we all know who gets hurt.

If you don't asume that all car drivers are cocks, that hey haven't seen you, and that whatever mad manoevre thay make next is not going to take you out, then you're going to A & E sometime soon :(

These are the facts of modern motorcycling.

Glad your friend wasn't too badly hurt. Multiple vehicles in a tangle tend to be unusually messy.

Richard.

Hope your mate gets better! BUT he should treat all other road users as complete imbeciles. Unless the woman was signalling she was turning off then assume she wasn't. The HC says (from The Highway Code (http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/17.htm) ):

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162: Signals and position, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise.
When taking the first exit

* signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
* keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave.

When taking any intermediate exit

* select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout, signalling as necessary
* stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.

When taking the last exit or going full circle

* signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
* keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.

When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.


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I disagree with the 'intermediate exit' signals as if you're not going left or right (or full circle) then you should not signal until the exit before your's - then you signal left.

I also disagree with the policeman saying she could go round and round without signaling. If you're lost and not sure then signal right as you go around and that way everybody knows you're not turning off.

Dave

PS: IAM on bike and car!

Can't see any diagram and from your description I think you mean outside.

<edit> Ah. I see it now and you do indeed mean outside (i.e. to the left)

The only sense I can make of this is that the bike was following a car and both effectively overtook a car on a single lane roundabout. The bike did not successfully complete the overtake.

If there is no road marking, then there is only one lane and therefore no overtaking. Similarly, any vehicle which is already on the roundabout only has to indicate their intention to leave, not their intention not to so yes they can carry on going round a`s much as they like.

Sounds like biker was lucky to "walk away" and lucky to get 50/50...

Screwd.

OPPS,
it was a 2 lane roundabout!
with a 2 lane exit.

the round about was on a SINGLE junction of a MOTORWAY.
e.g you can get on & off from both direction, onto the Motorway, BUT only 1 exit (e.g in & out) off that round about to go somewhere different than the Motorway!!!
if that makes sense!!!

X marks the crash, to my knowlege!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/baz69birds/riddzcrash.jpg

Can you put on that Googlemap where the car and bike entered the roundabout?

RED BLOBS
where they came off the MOTORWAY heading for the ONLY EXIT.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/baz69birds/points.jpg
She then decided to go back onto the MOTORWAY or in that direction!!

:wonder: Yeah, a bit more tricky. She should have been indicating imo, I would have been pretty miffed.
But as stated in an earlier post you shouldn't assume anything now a days :(

J4 M25/A21 ? Right?

In terms of a police prosecution it would never happen. The CPS would just say that the road layout is not clear. If it is the junction I think it is I know the road well and there isn't any signs to say which car should use which lane. Its pretty much a take your life in your own hands situation as its a single lane.

At the end of the day the woman should not have continued right round but as its a single lane the biker shouldn't have assumed she was coming off and technically overtaken.

I have sympathy but as has already been mentioned treat every other user of the road as a complete muppet and assume no one has seen you.

J4 M25/A21 ? Right?


:thumb:

thanks for eveyones feedback sofar..

Also please remember, that she NEARLY took the rear BUMPER off the car my Mate was following.. so if she had turned earlier??
could have been more to that CRASH!!!

lets keep this simple you dont go round a roundabout in the left lane and pass an exit and continue round the roundabout .there is a maximum ammount of times you can circle a roundabout so that proves the copper knows 0 . in my expierience alot of the knackers do this but its not a move you learn on your driving lessons, and you would fail a driving or bike test if you did this .


like i said in a previous post you have to be a mind reader or you will get hurt .

i hope your mate is ok , and its true most police officers know zero about the highway code .:cuckoo:

Im with growler

Happens a lot and probably nowt can be done about her unfortunantly, the good thing he is able to learn from this and be wary of sitting right on the inside. A bike can always be fixed.

The law is an ass.

Im with growler


THE HIGHWAY CLEARLY STATES THAT IF SHE WANTED TO GO ALL THE WAY ROUND SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE RIGHT LANE INDICATING, AS GROWLER SAYS WHAT SHE DID WOULD HAVE FAILED ANY DRIVING TEST:mad:

i'm a car and bike man also drive hgv's, and its pet hate of mine, people not knowing how to or bothering to signal at round abouts, and getting in lane so you know what they are doing, trying to get an hgv out onto a round about is fookin hard work when no one uses it properly, :mad: :mad:

just looking at the aerial photo of the roundabout, with red dots, !!
why can't she be done for dangerous driving:wonder: :wonder:
or more probably undue care and attention:mad: :mad:

i bet if it was a young lad in a scoob the police would have hung him out to dry:mad:

p*sses me right off, this goes on the fookin time, cause its some female they drive round like learners causing all sorts of traffic problems and no police officer will prosecute them , :mad: :mad:

i had an accident year ago on a bike and the cause was a female pulling out from parked cars on bend , outside a house, the next day all the parked cars had been moved, :mad:
when i put this to the officer who came to interview me, i got some p*ss poor lame excuse, :mad: :mad:
and guess had pay out:mad: ,
and was told it would be left there? case closed:wonder: :wonder: :mad:

ffs calm down Howard there was a lot of :mad: ness in that post :lol1:
as for the biker i have been in similar sutuations myself but have been lucky to not get hit being an exbiker and all that all i can suggest is that the rider gets as many witnesses to say what they saw and make a statement:Suspiciou trouble is no one wants to give any info/evidence these days good luck with accident claim and don`t give up too soon!:)

From what I can see, the copper was right... Once on the roundabout, there are no lane markings. (Which I think is cr*p but that's not relevent).

Effectively, you have a one-way single track road that is "a bit wide". Leaving the roundabout/road requires you to turn left. No indication/action is required to continue on around the roundabout as there are no lane markings or road markings indicating preference or priority.

IMO the road layout is cr*p but at best it's a 50/50 accident.

J.

Yep to vindaloo and I stand by my earlier comment too: the Highway Code is not definative on this point and the fact that there is no lane marking to indicate two lanes also confuses the issue. For the record, you can in fact choose either lane on a roundabout to go straight on. Since there is not a choice of "lane" in this example the driver can choose where they wish to position their vehicle within the single carriageway on this roundabout.

Furthermore, you do not need to (nor in fact are you able to) indicate your intention to carry straight on on a roundabout. The right indicator might be mistaken for the intention to turn right while the left clearly signals an intention to take the next exit. There is no straight on indicator!

While the vehicle you were both overtaking may not have helped matters by giving a clear indication of their intent to "carry straight on" around the roundabout, they did not contravene the highway code.

Not only am I right. I know I'm right.

In all seriousness though, glad everyone is ok. Lesson learned the easy way...

Screwd.

I think I understand this. Women on the outside want to orbit all the way around but runs into your mate at 3 o'clock as see decides she wants to keep on going round.

In those circumstances I'm in favour of your mate.

I'm always vary of folks who do this on roundabouts.

Being the victim of a pretty serious T-Bone incident I'm always super careful about other drivers.

Hang back and observe the behaviour of the driver, look out for signals, body language etc.

Listen to the vindaloo.

No lane markings means your mate was overtaking on a single lane road and it could be said HE t-boned HER. She has no obligation to take that exit, he just assumed she would. 99 times out of 100 he would have been right.

If he was taking that exit, then he should have already placed himself in the left-hand lane after passing the previous exit. I've only just done (and failed) my bike test. They absolutely hammered it in to us that you are always in the left lane on approach for turning off to left, or for straight on.

1) He should have been in the left-hand lane if he was about to exit the roundabout (even if there are 2 lanes on that exit, which there weren't as there were no markings) especially if the lanes are not marked as 'definite turn lefts' (as of the previous exit he should have moved across from the inside)

2) Where was his 'lifesaver' to check the exit before moving off the roundabout? He should not have been alongside her car when exiting - he would not have even been able to see her indicating left (or not)

3) She should have been in the right lane, indicating right (but then again it is only 1 lane). She was a muppet, but she was in a ton of steel and he was on a bike.

4) I'm amazed that junction is not better marked up, especially as it is off a motorway.

50/50 at best. Glad to hear your mate came off fairly lightly.
Joolz

I dont ride a bike but that is blatently the cars fault, does the highway code not state that before making a manouvre you check your mirrors and indicate? looks like she didnt.
Not a 50/50, thats just a way of not doing any paperwork, and it saves insurance co's lots of hassle.

Tony

I had an accident in more or less exactly the same circumstances about 3 years ago. I managed to get 2 independent witnesses and the police were on my side. The car driver failed to indicate or use there mirrors and made a last minute decision to continue round the roundabout taking me out in the process. They tried to hold me liable but with the witness statements I won. As has been said if a driver plans to continue round the roundabout they should be in the right hand lane! I think I was lucky and the Police were very helpful and understanding.

I hope your friend gets this sorted - took me 8 months with all the arguments about whose fault but the woman got 5 points for dangerous driving for her efforts in the end!

Good luck

Em