Yamaha R1, '04 54 plate, 2,600 miles, totally standard, no wet weather use. Taxed until April 2007.

I am looking for £5,250 ono. I'll probably regret selling it, but I fancy going down the supermoto route having test ridden a Yamaha XT660X at the weekend.

Call me on 07721 324147 if interested.

Some pics:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/STiEight/DSCF0042.jpg
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If you are thinking of going down the supermoto route i strongley suggest you go for a test ride on the KTM 950 sm i have just bought one, before that i had a KTM LC4 640 the KTM,s are amazing bikes and i dont think that a 660 supermoto will have enought go for you if you are used to an R6
Karl

i dont think that a 660 supermoto will have enought go for you if you are used to an R6
Karl

R1.

I had considered the KTM 950, but it's beyond my budget.

Never ridden a single before, the throttle seemed like an on/off switch at low speeds, esp. in town. Is this normal for this type of engine? I guess I will get used to it over time and smooth it out.

hello miffo
if you are thinking of trail bikes, i would not buy a yam xt660, it is just a gloryfied road bike??
buy a properly spec'd bike with 2 sets of wheels, 1 supermoto and 1 offroad, , i live in manchester and near by we have a supermoto track, motorcross track and plenty of green lanes, !!
buy the right bike and all of the above can be enjoyed and use it to commute!!
BIG KTM will be great on the road but a bit big for offroad, unless your very good???,
go and check out some more machinery mate, make sure the chassis and suspension are capable of coping with offroad abuse and your options will be open:thumb:

I had considered the KTM 950, but it's beyond my budget.

Never ridden a single before, the throttle seemed like an on/off switch at low speeds, esp. in town. Is this normal for this type of engine? I guess I will get used to it over time and smooth it out.


The 950 sm is a V twin & its very smooth

I'm not intending taking the bike offroad, which is why I am looking at the XT660, although having thought about it I'm not sure I could live with the snatchy throttle. I think I might go and get a test ride on a KTM 950 SM.

These are about 8k brand new, so it would probably have to be a used one but I can only find a handful on AutoTrader. Are they that good that their owners don't want to part with them!?

The Yamaha XT660 is a PseudoMoto™, not a Supermoto. The difference is as great as that between vending machine so called "coffee" and a steaming hot cup of freshly ground Blue Mountain...

They might be called supermoto, they might even look a bit like one but these mass produced models are worlds apart from the real thing. Heavy with dog slow engines and budget suspension, they are great road bikes but not real supermotos.

A pukka SM should weigh in at around 130kg, produce 50-60 bhp and will tear your arms off, wheelie and stoppie generally behave like a wildcat on cocaine. Difficult to live with but worth it for the sheer bravado and insane performance. You really should try a Husaberg FS650E or at least a Husqvarna SM570R before you decide. They are both animals.

I hear many sportsbike riders say how crap supermoto bikes are after trying out a CCM or XT, or worse, shortly after buying one...

Screwd.

Hi Screwd

I'm having second thoughts about the XT and have been looking at a used CCM 644 at a local dealer. Is it worth considering, or should I be looking at Husqvarna/KTM etc instead??

Miffo - be aware that Screwd feels anything that doesn't do a spontaneous total oil change every 500 miles, try to break your leg every time you start it and undergo a least one major mechanical failure a week is far too soft, bloated and compromised to be a real supermoto... ;)

If you're going to use it every day (or even more than every once in a while) then personally I'd go for one of the more mainstream choices and accept a bit of compromise... You know, like buying an R1 when if you wanted a real sportsbike you'd have strapped lights on an RC211V...

SB

Actually my old SM570 wasn't that bad. It did need regular maintenance and you wouldn't want to do more than 20-30 miles in one go (you'd run out of teeth). All I'm saying is, try a REAL sm before you commit to a sluggardly road version. Anyone who jumps off an R1 is going to be mighty unimpressed once the shine of a new bike wears off.

Personally I'd put the CCM in the same category as the other sm wannabees. Nice looking slug. Good road bikes but your gran could ride one....

http://www.bitsforbikes.com/pix/SM570R.jpg

Screwd.

<edit> Oh and it only tried to take my leg off once.

I think I may have to make a compromise somewhere, as I don't want to be changing oil or having it serviced every other week!

If I were to go for the KTM 950 SM, I would probably have to find in the region of £3.5k to trade up.

Alternatively, I could keep the R1 and look for a CCM/YAM XT around £3-3.5k.

I could have this for £3200:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/STiEight/ccm1.jpg

Low miles (657!) and comes with a 'lifetime warranty' (so the possible reliability issues with a CCM may not be a problem???)

Does anyone have any experience of a CCM 644, good or bad?

Does it have to be a brand new bike? 2nd hand KTM950s must be around the £5500-£6000 mark now - I know the 990 Superdukes are because KTM dropped the new price to £6995 (I don't know why the SMs are still £8500 - it's probably because they are still selling well).

I've always liked Supermotos but felt the change from a GSXR1000 to one would just be a little too much so went the Superduke route instead. then again if you've only done 2600 miles in 2 years I take it you don't do many long journeys? then a Supermoto would be fun - you may find the XTZ to be a little soft (a friend had one after a Firestorm but soon traded it for a GS1200 BMW).

Guess the only way is to try & get decent test rides on a range of 'different' bikes - you'll be surprised as to what will come across as 'fun' (ie unfaired SV1000).

Also be prepared for stupid values on the R1, even though it's one of the best looking bikes ever & the low mileage you'll be lucky if a dealer allows more than £4k at present citing that with the 07 model now launched there are 3 models newer than yours - I was in the same situ & seriously considered 'streetfightering' my standard GSXR.

It may be worth advertising on Supermoto forums as there are probably Supermoto owners who fancy a change back to a sportsbike and are prepared to swap/deal.

If you really fancy a deal on a wide wheeled off-roader then I'll willingly trade my Nissan Terrano with the R1............:norty:

How tall are you Miffo?

May I suggest you consider a Buell? Laugh and a half and slightly less run of the mill than a lot of the things that are being suggested...

Have a look here (http://www.motorbikestoday.com/reviews/Articles/buell_cityx_2006_longterm.htm) for an example...

SB

Low miles (657!) and comes with a 'lifetime warranty' (so the possible reliability issues with a CCM may not be a problem???)

Does anyone have any experience of a CCM 644, good or bad?

657 miles. It got as far as that? Must be a good one then...

The CCM is a good bike, a great bike even - on the road. The warranty will probably tie you up in servicing and you'll end up paying more than the bike is worth over its "lifetime".

No mate. For three grand you should buy this:

Honda CRF450 Supermoto 2004 - Very High Spec - visordown (http://www.visordown.com/forums/showthread.php?t=291677)


Thank me later, this bike will have cost twice that and I'd have it myself if I was in the market for another SM. The Jap motocross conversions are much more reliable than the fragile and highly tuned Husky/Bergs. Again, you'd probably also want another bike for high mileage runs.

Screwd.