Has anyone heard about Max Mosley's new idea for rallying:

He would like for cars that may not complete day 1 of a rally due to damage to be able to still compete on day 2 and 3 if they can be repaired by the teams and to setup a different type of point scoring system so that they can gain points if they finish.

Anyone any thoughts on this idea??

Come back Jean Marie Balestre I say

FIA Retirement plan http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/News/2003/016/2003_R_fiaretirementplan.htm

Only thing that needs a retirement plan is Max the muppet.

It looks like mad Max will not be happy until he has destroyed the WRC

This was tried before in the BRC & failed

Its done in lots of clubman, national and international rallies all over the world. If your doing a 2/3 day rally and you break down or crash on say SS1, you can repair and re-enter an event that might use the final 6-10 stages of the main event.

So as you have paid your entry fee, fuel, tyres, wages, hotels etc etc you can get some decent stage mileage for your money.

Sometimes there is quite a few cars that may enter and sometimes there may be none.

It makes sense to me if you were entering a WRC event as a privateer and you broke the alternator on SS2 of a 20 stage event and it had cost you 15k to be there.... Not sure about for the works teams though.

The blokes a twat

BTCC - ruined and boring
F1 - Boring boring boring
WRC - still great but 4 how long?

Fia should retire.

john :D what a shocker, i totaly agree with you chap.max is a muppet.

Robbied, they run the events like SCCA Pro rally with multiple events within the main event. For example a Pro Rally will be over 2 days of competition, but within those 2 days, you have 2 seperate club rallies running scored on each days running.

You can enter both Club and Pro events at the same time, and can win trophies for each of the 3 events. If you crash out day one, you are out of the Pro Rally portion of the event, but that doesnt stop you doing the day2 stages because the club rally is a totally seperate event.

This means that clubmen on a tight budget can do just the one day, it also means if travelling far you can get more value for money with 2 events in the same weekend and it also means you can enter your local Pro Rally and see how you perform against the big boys.

WRC is a totally diferent thing, its a one off event, so just like with the Pro Rally section in the example above, once you are out, you are out. WRC is suposed to be the pinacle of rallying in the world and what makes rallying so special is being diluted year on year by these muppets, it's terribly sad to see.

The WRC events like Rally GB used to form part of the BRC, but in their infinate wisdom the FIA decided to limit the number of entries so that option was removed, now they think its a good idea to invent a way of keeping the cars running to fill the gaps again.

This "idea" is probably as a result of the FIA sudenly realising that 2 works cars per event isnt enough to put on a show on the rougher events, because you could end up with 2 works cars finishing in places like cyprus. Thats going to look crap for TV if they continue this nonsensicle aproach to just covering the works WRC entries and ignoring the F1600 and PWRC cars and the privateers.

We already now have the nonsense of the 1000 pistes format for next year, where you will only get to see the cars once in the afternoon, twice if you are very lucky, how is that going to be good for TV program production or the fans who visit each event. I hate what is happening to my sport, it's tragic.

Agree that it's a mad idea!

It does seem a bit of a reaction to the fact that someone has woken up and realised that there are now fewer works cars being entered. This means that there could be a "danger" of non-works cars finishing in the top 6 - ooh, that won't make good telly.

If the FIA had not messed things up by reducing works teams to 2 cars, TV coverage being sooooooo intent on only covering the top 4 or 5 cars in each rally, and the entries being limited to a patheticly small number, then this thought would have never entered Max's mind.....

In parts i don't think its too bad an idea, i don't think there should be any points involved tho, as it could mean a driver who has lead the race from stage 1 to say 18 and then breaks down on stage 19 not scoring but a driver that broke down on stage 2 and retarting on day 2 after repairs and finishing scoring points. It would be good to let the drivers/teams at least test new stuff on the cars and rookie drivers to get experience on the stages and as a spectators view it would be more value for money to see a full field racing.

We already now have the nonsense of the 1000 pistes format for next year
It remains to be seen how long it lasts. It seems the only people who don't accept it's unworkable are the FIA, and so we all have to learn the hard way. At least there's a reasonable chance that it'll be a memory by WRGB time...

The thing I'm really wondering amid all this is why the event organisers and the WRC teams are content to have these regulations dropped on them by suits in Paris. Why hasn't someone decided to stick two fingers up to the FIA and threaten to organise a rival championship? That's what was needed to force Bernie to get his ears syringed...

Another stupid idea, what with the new driver regulations last year, where is the sport going, they may consider it for smaller events so the clubman gets his value for money, but at the pinnacle, no thank you.

Cheers

Also look at it from a spectator point of view. If you travelled to another country to see the WRcars and by mid-day on day 1 50% were out, and you were watching all the later stages, you'd get to see plenty of Gp N and S1600 runners (which is still awesome but you can do that in GB) and much less WRC action, which is what you have paid £s for, would you feel you had your VFM? Although, that is the nature of rallying, you gotta be in it to win it...

I don't personally agree with it for WRC events but i have done it in national rallies and it leaves you feeling like you got something back for all the effort you put in.

Plus, organisers can charge you more if they can convince you that your gonna see more cars for longer...

just for once i think i agree with mad max.if you take 3 sorry silly me its 2 cars next year (good old fia) to N Zealand and one drops out first day then i can see a point in keeping manufactures interest going, but how do you do it without pissing off the top drivers who are going for it big time and find A.N. other is back in again on 2nd day.?
Also on another point i notice the fia has no e mail address on thier web site!! well isn't that convient.Hear no evil see no evil.QED rallying must be doing well

Been down that one before Nav. It's incredibly difficult actually speaking to anyone at the FIA, unless you count walking up to them during a rally and starting a conversation.

Theoretically the way to contact them on motorsport related matters is via the MSA, but even then it's a fiendishly complicated thing to actually do.