I saw the footage of this on Breakfast news this morning, and here's (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/3068731.stm) what happened to them in court.

I won't go on about the justice system, etc.... as this has been covered many, many times before, but IMHO to send them to jail is not the answer. images/smilies/mad.gif:(

So on the back of the top speed thread (which I won't admit to what I've achieved, but it's not all that different to quite a few posts in there ;):D) you'd better be even more observant!

Edited to add - just seen another thread in NSR! :rolleyes::D

[Edited by Scott W - 7/15/2003 5:06:55 PM]

There was a thread in non scooby when this happened that I have just updated :eek: 14 days in prison is scarey :eek:

I hate the ******* police and justice system in this country more by the day. If you get caught its mad to go play by the rules of the system. Those that dont, get away scott free! Gypsies, uninsured drivers, car thieves etc!

I could almost shoot a copper and feel as good about it as a burglar?? Whats going on with that! I come from a decent family and society and the courts turn me against them!

It's for just this reason that there are a number of bikes about with the number plate fitted with velcro or 'dzuz' (sp?) quick release fasteners. They regularly pop off the plates and stick them in thier jacket.

So they now have a proper criminal record and will be 'banged up' with the killers. Makes you want to cry . . .

Z

Makes you sick when the likes of Stewart only got banned and a fine for crashing his car 3 times over the drink limit.

Zanlin, they will not be banged up with killers, more like with non payers of fines etc.

Lets be honest 157mph on public roads, the guy was a tw@t.

He should have stolen the bike first and then he'd have got off with community service!

CT, true to both. And that guy whos' kids played truant.

Makes me glad when I look at the tax I've paid to know its been well used.

Cheltenham police now have a Scooby police car, all done up with lights and stripes. not sure if its modded . . .

It is sickening when you see people get off with a slap on the wrist for violent crime or theft and this guy who didn't actually harm anyone gets jailed.

But 157mph :eek:

We are all tw@ts at times, but if you get caught you pay the price.

CT - do you ride? If you don't then you'd have no idea how 157mph felt like on the road. You just see the big number and say 'oh gosh, Slap him in irons the bad boy!'.

Sorry - he may have been 'riding like a twat' but just fine him and give him 3 or 6 points. No need for jail. Agree?

Dave

Its simple, dont stop if you do that speed, ever (or just dont speed), hide the bike, wait and see if (when) you get pulled, if you do,'oh that bike, sold it last week officer, wait and I'll get you the receipt (that I wrote earlier), from a Mr. Smith, yes I send away the log book, blah, blah, blah'. Keep bike hidden for a few weeks/months then either sell through m8 who bought it from a 'Mr. Smith' or buy it back from Mr. Smith who seemed to want it sold as it was too fast, blah, blah. The police only have time for the easy, quick pulls, the useless lazy arseholes.

Been there done it.

On the same subject, I know at least three guys who buy big sports bikes cash under false names etc. They never ever register them, they insure them etc so are OK for that side of things, and they never ever stop for plod. It takes plod ages to get clearance for a chopper (extremely rare or unlucky for speeding) and any decent rider can loose any police car in 10 mins on home ground. They always have loads of good 'escape' routes in mind where ever they ride and they have never been caught in 4 years of doing this.

Sounds stupid but the fine for not registering a motor vehicle is nothing compared to going to jail, and it 'does not' invalidate your insurance, i.e. the registered keeper (or insured) is not necessarily the owner etc.

Yup any habitual speeder has numourous back raods home, rule number One!

Doesnt help when it comes to cameras though :(


P.S. THIS made my day today! (http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/thread.asp?threadid=230727)

See above post, cameras aint no use if plod dont know the owner m8 ;)

they deserve it, good use of my tax to stick that moron away.

SN does have a habit of saying one things wrong because another is wrong. just because rapist should be shot but get away with jail doesnt mean this tool should be let of scott free.

T

Excessive speed, even touching 160mph doesn't warrant a custodial sentence. If someone was hurt then thgat would have been a different matter. This was just a moment of madness that these 2 blokes will be paying a very heavy penalty for. No one was hurt in this incident so why the custodial sentence?
Typically strange set of priorities displayed by the authorities. Personally I want to see my tax money pay for the punishment of real criminals, not 2 stupid blokes who should have known better.

So the fact that one of the twats was disqualified, had no insurance along with the particularly excessive speed is OK then is it?

If the idiot has already been disqualified and has chosen to ignore the ban which then icreases the risk to innocent members of the public because of no insurance, do you honestly think that another fine and points is really going to deter him?

No of course it won't, but trapping him up for a couple of weeks as "Fresh Meat" may just have the desired affect on his long term behaviour.

And why is it that everyone blames the Police for catching someone acting the C@nt. The Police only provide the evidence to put before the courts, it is the courts who decide on what the sentance will be on conviction, and I am not talking about speed camera's I am talking about proper excess speed cases such as this. At the end of the day, if someone feels that they are above the law and chooses to ignore it (and we have all sped at some time) the they have no one to blame but themselves when they get caught.

The offence is not doing it, it is getting caught!

Sorry, I'll get off my soap box now!

A bloke here in Macc did a hit & run on a pedestrian a couple of years back. He had no tax, insurance or license and failed to stop after the accident. The ped died at the scene.

The driver got 3 months.

The two bikers should be punished, but compared to the above a custodial sentence is ridiculous.

Massive thread running over this on Pistonheads.com (in general gassing section) www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?p=1&f=23&t=48234&h=0

was over 13 pages last time I looked.

Excessive speed, even touching 160mph doesn't warrant a custodial sentence.

Correct, but they weren't convicted for speeding, they were convicted for dangerous driving, which is a completely different offence.

Ian.

Sounds stupid but the fine for not registering a motor vehicle is nothing compared to going to jail, and it 'does not' invalidate your insurance, i.e. the registered keeper (or insured) is not necessarily the owner etc.

Perhaps I'm being stupid but, if they never register the bike, how can they ever give the insurance company a valid bike reg. no. for the certificate? Or do they buy a "drive anything" insurance policy?

Ian.

[Edited by droid42 - 7/17/2003 7:57:52 PM]

Perhaps I'm being stupid but, if they never register the car

What car is that then?

I've never heard so much bull**** in my life as in this thread. Why dont you sell your dangerous fast bikes and get back to sitting in traffic in your Mondeo's.

[Edited by Jye - 7/17/2003 7:13:44 PM]

Ermm ... not sure I understand the rest of your post but I obviously typed "car" instead of "bike". Soon to be edited ...

(???)

Ian.

OK, for you then, when did an insurance company ever ask for more than a registration number when taking out a policy, no log book was ever needed, and when did the police start checking every insurance company to see who is insured with each of them and for which vehicle? It’s Simple.

OK, for you then, when did an insurance company ever ask for more than a registration number when taking out a policy, no log book was ever needed, and when did the police start checking every insurance company to see who is insured with each of them and for which vehicle? It’s Simple.

Understand that. But if they had an accident, wouldn't the subterfuge be over? By providing a (presmably) false registration number to the insurance company, isn't that much worse than not registering the vehicle (i.e. they're not insured)? Don't motorbike dealers register new bikes in the same way that car dealers do?

Ian.

hutton-d
CT - do you ride? If you don't then you'd have no idea how 157mph felt like on the road

Yes I do ride, and I have ridden at 150+mph but not on open roads. Jailing the guy for speeding, though it appears there was more to it than that, is probably OTT, but I stand by my statement that he was a tw@at

*Sigh* its not a false registration number. You give the insurance company the correct registration number, its the DVLA you dont tell. I could insure my fathers Motor Home (as long as he wasnt insuring it as well) but I wouldnt be changing any details on the log book, I wouldnt be the owner, but I 'would' be the registered keeper as far as the insurance company is concerned. The insurance company only care if you have insurance for 'a' particular vehicle, not who owns it at the end of the day. You dont have to 'own' a vehicle to get insurance for it of hire car firms etc would have problems.

Clear as mud eh ;)

[Edited by Jye - 18/07/2003 11:34:49]

And as far as having an accident is concerned, unless the vehicle is a write off or stolen (not recovered) I've never been asked for the log book, ever. I guess you could always say that you 'did' send the log book away to the DVLA but that they didnt return it and you 'forgot'. Hardly crime of the century anyhow, and that was my point.

OK ... second-hand bikes. Got it now ...

Ian.

:) cash payments to 'friends', u got it :D