Molds...why is the pan being fixed down onto plywood, the pan should always be fixed onto the finished floor surface, the type of floor surface will determin the fixing method.

Mog

[Edited by Mog - 7/1/2003 9:28:27 PM]

Got a guy re doing my bathroom.

Bought a toilet from B&Q. It is the type where the cistern attached to the pan and not the wall. The whole thing therefore needs to be fixed quite well in case someone sits on it funny and tips the lot over.

The fixings kit that came with it did not include any, errr fixings for the pan. There are just two holes in the base. These holes are very narrow so you can't get a decent sized screw in, and the angle is very high so it points more to the inside of the pan than the floor.

B&Q say there is no extra fixings for it and can't offer any advice on how to fix it. My builder spoke to a mate of his who fits bathrooms regulalry, and got told to glue the pan to the floor with Gripfill and also stick some against the back of the cistern where it goes against the wall.

I don't know wnay better but it is making me a bit nervous thinking this toilet will just be glued to the floor! :eek:

Does this sound reasonable? Have you heard of this being done?

Cheers

Matt

(First post in DIY. I try to stick with DIY = Don't Involve Yourself :D)

I would say yes - assuming the surfaces he is sticking to are clean and dust free.

Gripfill is good stuff - but I am not sure what it would be like on non-porous/glazed surfaces like a toilet though.

Silicon will stick well to the toilet but not to the wall, unless you are sticking to tiles.

Thanks mj.

Sarcasm from you in my other post, but something useful here.

The pan will be stuck to plywood and the wall behind the cistern will be tiled.

I will stop worrying then and leave him to get on with it :)

Ta

M

hi mate - only joking bout the the other thing - but remember

" you can catch a man a fish and feed him for a day.You can teach a man to fish and feed him forever"

anyways, back to the crapper,

If its porcelain on porcelain I would think silicon would be the best bet as there is more flex and as far as I know it is the best option when sticking glazed surfaces.

Gripfill can tend to get brittle in thin layers - maybe use gipfill to secure the base down and a good wallop of silicon to fix the cistern to the tiled wall- make sure you get a good silicon with fungicide or it goes a bit manky ( piss splashes etc..)

cheers,

mike.

No offence taken mj re other post. I am familiar with search but was mislead by Puff that I had overlooked a way of searching a particular forum/topic area on SN.

Thanks again for your input on the bog front. My mind is at rest now that I know mr builder man is not having a laugh. As for p1$$ splash up the back of the cistern, lol - i must be a better aim than you :D

Cheers

Matt

.......yes it is some times difficult to aim the beast - NOT:D

mog,

sureley you wouldn't fix a thunderbox down onto carpet for instance, or lino?
or have i misunderstood?

cheers,

mike

Sorry being a bit thick, but being in the trade whenever plywood is fitted in a bathroom it generally means that the floor is going to be tiled or have laminate/amtico laid in which case the pan is fitted on top.

Mog

The reason it is on ply is because it needed a small plinth to raise it up a little. I didnt want the mess, hassle or cost of moving the soil pipe and the new toilet is not as high as the old one.

The rest of the floor is going to have hard board put down and then cork tiles. There is lot of plumbing under this floor for the heating, combi boiler etc so need to be able to get it up in an emergency. Hopefully a bit of white paint around the ply under the toilet and it will be failry invisible.

If it's on a plinth, have you thought of gluing stainless bolts into (through) the plinth, threads uppermost, to locate the pan onto, then stainless dome nuts on top to hold it down, then glue the plinth to the floor?
If you ever had to remove the bog, just undo the domenuts,
Stainless stops them rusting away to nothing in 2 weeks from the p*ss splashes.:D:
Alcazar

Gripfill should be OK, but you can get suitable screws from a decent builders merchant. I wouldn't worry about the gripfill letting go, but you may find that once it is set it will be there forever

Update!

Someone else 'in the trade' has looked at the toilet.

Apparently there should have been a fitting kit. Couple of big brackets that go underneath and inside the pan. The angle of the holes then makes sense as they go in fairly horizontal to meet the brackets.

Just a case of gettting back on the phone to B&Q, who have said once already that there is no fitting kit :rolleyes: Probably tell me it will take 3 weeks to come from manufacturer in which case the GripFill will be back out!

Cheers for the feedback

Matt

I used a silocone called "781", used that because that's what we use at work. It's a heat proof silicone we use in the fireplace trade. using that or something simular would be your best bet.
But as mentioned once it's on, it's on for good.
Don't use the "gripfill" as that is a colored type and will show up and is a pain to get off, use a clear silocone like "781".

Hope this gets you out of a "sticky" situation

Adam