Well I think he's got a lot of bottle hitting 130 in a puffa jacket and jeans. I wouldn't want to do 30 in that clothing. Its obvious that he doesn't take the bike thing seriously. It takes no skill to do the straight line thing, just the bottle to take the risk with your license. It could have been worse, It could have been me. You wouldn't need super strength then, just a quicker car :D:D:D

[Edited by DRUNKNORGY - 12/3/2002 9:02:41 AM]

[Edited by Hol - 12/7/2002 4:34:48 PM]

Apparently you cant argue with some peoples pre conceptions so my full and explanatory reply has been removed as I cant be bothered anymore.


[Edited by Hol - 12/9/2002 9:15:27 AM]

A saying where I come from is 'When your in a Hole, Stop digging'.

Do you not think that by actively obstructing bikes which are filtering, you don't risk putting them in danger?. Filtering is already a risky part of motorcycling due to the cigarette smoking, mobile phone talking, kids destracting, etc, Drivers on the road, who are not aware of whats going on around them.

IMHO Bikers ride defensively to stay alive, You drive agressively to demonstrate to yourself that 'You' already own the road and want to make sure everyone around you knows it. It sounds like the Car becomes an extension of your manhood when you get behind the wheel.
As I said before, if it makes no difference to your journey time, whats the big deal?.

[Edited by DRUNKNORGY - 12/9/2002 8:08:25 AM]

to all the bikers that got so very upset by my post's the other day firstly i want you all to know some of those were'nt posted by me, but by my other half .i think if you look, you will be able to see by some of the more colourfull word's, which posts were mine.
i still hold by the first & last post's though & am totally shocked by some of the reactions that wot started out as a one line joke comment got.
i really feel that some of you should take a step back & then maybe you would see why you get treated as you do when your out there .your talking about kicking plps cars, breaking wing mirrors, using paint thiner, putting spark plugs through windscreens,& following a woman home & doing them & there car! & why because you dont feel you should wait your turn like every one eles.if im in a shop & i have less to go through the checkout than the person in front does that mean i should barge through and cut in front. if i did this to you, you would be very upset to say the least & with good reason .take some time to consider other plp your not the only ones on the rd.
i have allways treated bikers with respect & will continue to do so allthough from what has been said on here im not sure how many of you deserve it. the r1 was beaten from the light's for 3 reasons
1 it was wet
2 i reacted faster than him
3 he was to busy looking down my top to concern himself with the rd


[Edited by tittiecarcar - 12/9/2002 12:38:29 PM]

titicar - I personally don't advocate some of the methods suggested by others and would be mortified if someone I was with were to use these methods, That said, it depends on the level of provocation to start with. A 1-1/2 ton vehicle being used as a weapon is alot of weight to lean on somebody with IMHO. You seem to trivialise the seriousness of using a car as a weapon to enforce mastery of the road you suggest we deserve to be on the receiving end of a drivers temper for daring to use the gaps between the vehicles(which you don't use anyway). Also, you made the analogy that in a supermarket, no one should queue jump. I agree that if you are in a car you shouldn't jump the queue, but bikes are a competely different kettle of fish and don't require the width of a lane to go through a gap so are not taking anything from you anyway, and 99 times out of 100 are gone before you've even released the handbrake.
I think that this thread is important as it demonstrates that there are drivers on the road who will go out of there way to obstruct bikes and 'Theres one born every minute;)'

[Edited by DRUNKNORGY - 12/9/2002 1:42:50 PM]

can you read if you can then go back and read my post yesterdahttp://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/Gif/bart-moon.gify

[Edited by tittiecarcar - 12/10/2002 11:17:45 AM]

You filter to the front of the lights and sit between the two cars there... the lights go green and the car to the right gets off as fast as you do... do you:

A) Know that the car is in the right and either accelerate in front of it, or brake and filter behind it.

B) Think the guy in the car is obviously trying to knock you off and I rule the road anyway? accelerate in front of the car.. nearly hitting the cars stopped up ahead then the give various annoyed shakes of hands and head at the guy in the car?

Personnally I do 'A', and today when I was the guy in the car and the biker did 'B' he nearly got to sit on my TMIC.. muppet..
Instead I just smiled and waved and then laughed as he got more annoyed.
He filtered through he should remove himself out of the way of other road users safely or else not bl00dy filter!!

Or do people disagree?

Rant over..

JGM :)

Absolutely A. I haven't met a car that will out accelerate the blade on a standing start - nor would I allow it!

Snap.. got a blade here too.. :)

But most bikes will beat a car away from the lights the point I was making is that the guy on the bike just pulled away expecting me to slow down and allow him in.. I was not deliberatly not allowing him in, just driving along.

JGM :)

c) don't stop level with the cars, stop in front of the cars. This way you can be as sure as possible (can't count on car drivers to be looking where they're going after all ;):)) that the cars have seen you, it also gives you a head start and you shouldn't have to worry about getting too swift a start.

Matt :)

D) Knock his wing mirror off, chuck a spark plug through his windscreen then drag him from the car and head butt him with your helmet.

My Anger Management Teacher says I should do A :(

[Edited by NotoriousREV - 11/29/2002 2:28:43 PM]

I had a situation once where I was in town approaching some traf lights, cop van was in que, as I got about 2 feet from the front the lights went to orange, as I was traveling about 5-10mph and only a couple of feet from the front of que I had an advantage and overtook front car as he moved off. Carried on about my business and a few mins later noted the same cop van approaching from behind, blue lights sirens the lot...

Pulled over thinking he was on his way to some emergency, and TWAT ltterally pinned me to the path with his wagon...

Fly's out at me screaming to get off bike, then proceeded to lecture me for 1/2 hour about overtaking at traffic lights...

Anbody have any idea what the proper procedure should have been, as I was'nt entirely sure what should have been done, should I have slowed/stopped and let car undertake me, done as I did or what...

It amazed me that this cop probably took 10x the amount of risks I did just to catch me in peak rush hour, I never recieved a ticket, NIP or even a producer was he just in a bad mood or what.

http://www.jamezbrown.com/mysmilies/otn/angry/nono.gif

1/2 an hour you say? Sound like it was 40 mins to knocking off time, and he didn't fancy any proper work! :D

Dazza, you did the right thing, you were making progress while safe to do so by the sound of it, he was probably just bored.

Sitting in a load of traffic the other night, while in a large queue upto a roundabout, after work in the Mini, a biker comes down the middle of the two lanes ( something I don't have a problem with ), I move over to the right a bit more ( I was in the right hand lane ) so there was more room for him. Anyway, he was doing about 10mph, while blipping the throttle everynow and again so people could obviously hear him coming, thus giving them warning and allowing them to realise what he was upto and move over. The car infront of me ( right hand lane ) moved over to the LEFT about a foot away from the car next to him, blocking the biker's path down the middle. The bike reaches rhis car, and starts revving the tits off the ( very nice ) Superbike, car does nothing. BIker has to stop and put his foot down. As traffic starts moving, I don't, and flash the bike to go round the cars right hand side, by going infront of me, which he does so, and thanks me by sticking his leg out. He goes very slowly past the car's right hand side, and gives the car two very hard kicks in the door area. One of the kicks knocking the wing mirror off. I laugh out loud to myself :D Anyway, car bloke gets angry and gets out, at which point the bike accelerates away, the ( rather overweight ) man gives chase on foot, for about 10 metres before realising no way was he going to catch bike, and was making a fool out of himself. By this time, traffic is moving again, and bloke is still out of the car infront, so I, and 3 cars behind me go round him, pissing him off even more. Made my day, I can tell you :D

Wonder how much a wing mirror is for a Daewoo Nexia :D:D

Rich :)

JGM, if a car can get away from the lights as quick as you, then maybe you should pedal harder;)

Seriously though, if a car was to do that to me I used to just accelerate away. Now I just let them have their moment of beating a bike from the lights. It'll give them something to brag about down the pub. I can always get in front at the next set of lights anyway. (maybe I'm getting old)

If a car ever beat me from the lights on me R6,its time to get rid of the bike and scoob and buy a ??????
Suggestions Please!!!!

Top tip - if you're on your bike and a wassock in a car annoys you so much you feel inclined to *knoc* his/her mrror - hit it very hard DOWNWARDS. They break off that way. Just knocking it forwards makes it hinge as it's supposed to. They don't have up/down movement .... :-))

You never heard it from me though ....

Dave

please also remember that when kicking a car/door/mirror etc that you need to allow some lean to compensate for the contact.
mate of mine on zx6r nearly flung himself accross the other side of the road exacting his revenge. very funny.
Andy...

LOL@Kicking the wing mirror..

but re-read.. I was in the car this time..

I too thinking about it go infront of the cars, but sometimes the lights change as you approach.. it was a complaint at this particular biker though that did not get away quickly and then got annoyed at me in my car because I didn't pull away slow enough for him or something.. and we were stopped so he should have been able to go ahead or pull away cleanly..

I am far from anti-bikes and also move over when in the car.. and have done 72,000miles on my bike in the last 4years (a Blade).

This biker obviously assumed I was being anti-bikes when it was far from it.. he just didn't know how to ride.

JGM :)

I do have a good giggle to my self when I see geezers on bikes that are happy to sit in traffic... Not knocking them or nowt quite admire them for thier patience but you have an advantage take it.

Had a guy follow me a few months back on a ZX6, moved over to allow him room to come through but he stayed behind me, fair enuff I thought. I could just see it in his eyes (through his 12.99 ABC Carnells tripple cheap basement lid) that he could see the pic-nic bench and thought oh rrr, a bit of a boy racer here...

Followed me to the parkway (cough cough) I mean 5mile piece of black stuff used to strengthen fields. Having a thorough knowledge of bikes knew very well he could kill me on the accelleration battle, but would his bottle stop where his Hush Puppies started (yes he was wearing SHOES and trouser flailing in the breeze).

I accellerate earlier and make a small lead on him, seeing him with his puffer blowing in the wind holding on for dear life he comes past at a fair pace, he looks over and gives a shake of his head is if to say you fool you have no chance...

He kept it going to about 130 and thats where his bottle finished, I however had the super size with 20% extra free, kept it nailed and slowly past him...


....nodding intensly


Oh how I giggled.

P.S.

All speeds are in KMPH http://www.jamezbrown.com/mysmilies/contrib/AoErat/awink.gif, for those who are concerned with those type of thingys

I dont think you could class that as bottle, BLOODY STUPIDITY, having fallen orf when I was a mere pup on me 250 in trainners, ****e puffa and no gloves learnt a very valuable lesson... skin is softer than...

A) tarmac
B) Cats eye's
C kerbs
D) very dry grass
E) dried mud
F) a few brambles
G) some small shrubs....

OH YEAH A FECKIN GREAT COUPLE OF CONIFERS.

never ever again.

LOL in a kind of nervous chuckle at the last post!

I only ride in leathers.. or my textile SPIDI jacket and leather trousers..

As a youth I used to ride in jeans.. scary.. but thankfully I was very lucky to never experiance the above.

JGM :)

pull in fron of the cars at the lights everytime! i kicked the crap out of aome guys car after he nudged me in traffic, it was an mpv family thing so the wheel arch was a little high so as he pulled off got my foot caught above the tyre ooops. seriously considered carrying a tool of some description. any ideas ? key on a bit of bluetak, my preffered mirror removal is with the boot whilst passing the offending car!

Met - the more subtle way of getting your own back (12 months of being a courier recently - I had to learn some nasty tricks ....) is to have some form of *sqeezy* device mounted with the bulb near the handlebars and the nozzle lower down - with paint stripper in it. Just ride past the *errant* driver with a big smile on your face and squeeze ...... :-)

Very naughty though .....

Dave

LOL at the wheel thing, that'd be my luck to hook me boot on it and watch um bugger of with me leg, be quite annoying though only had me new Alpine Stars 2months.

i agree,if you sit between cars at the lights 9 times out of ten some smart arse will floor it before the lights change to green.ive had this happen many a time, always position yourself in front of and to the middle of their car works a treat.

yep lost the end of my sidi boot on his wheel arch, worth it though. the squirting paint thinner sounds very effective if a little dangerous i rather like teh blue paint on me bike good effort though.

When I took my test in 1998 I filtered and got to the front at the lights.

When I got back I asked about it and the examiner said it was fine as long at I was carrying in the direction of the lanes I was sat in.

It could have been held against me if I hand't shown signs of filtering, it would have been recorded as a hesitation fault!:eek:

It might also explain why the test only last 25 minutes!:eek: (Well he did remember me from the time before!;))