hodgy0_2

lol, yes we've all given up

is that the best you can do !!!!!!

Paben

iTrader: (5)

So you admit you've surrendered; at least it explains why you feel obliged constantly to predict, even celebrate, the collapse of your own country. What a pitiful attitude.

dpb

and the world had better ....

https://youtu.be/TXc6G3rDsyc

hodgy0_2

if it makes you feel better - and suits your narrative

sure why not

I just laugh at all the whinging from the Brexiteers - waiting to blame other people


its always someone else fault - never your own, blame the EU, blame the remainers


<sigh>

BMWhere?

Wow, if only the rest of the world could figure out that simply being positive could solve all the worlds problems!

madscoob

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not much left to sell now electric gas n water went years ago and now this

https://youtu.be/2dsCJ1fe2Hg

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

not much left to sell is there
https://youtu.be/2dsCJ1fe2Hg

legb4rsk

That's another of the things that p****es me off about this country.All those foreign companies seem to make a pretty good living out of our infrastructure & utilities ......................why the hell can't we Brits do it?

ditchmyster

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I'm still waiting for someone to explain what it is that's going to make Britain great again???

I am genuinely interested to know how this is going to happen and I would actually like it to happen, I just don't see how.

It would seem we've sold off the stuff that could make some money and give subsidies for other countries/companies to run them, which I really don't understand why or how that's a better deal.

It's something they're doing out here in Croatia, done it with a few things, biggest being the roads which are French owned and all they really did was put the prices to more than double over a couple of years and still receive subsidies... now they're trying to do the same with the Croatian electricity company, which is bloody stupid because it's about all they have left... having sold off most of the big resorts so the most profitable aspect (tourism) is in the hands of foreign companies.

trails

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Dragging others down, really...I thought the leave voters sank the bloody ship.


If commenting on events from a pragmatic perspective is being a doom and gloom merchant then I'm guilty as charged

hodgy0_2

I know

I think broadly two things

1. genuine protest vote - give someone a kicking

2. the Brexiteer's (Gove, Fox Davies et al) know exactly what they are doing - they are reshaping the UK, they are "wreckers", more concerned with tearing things down

the only vague plan is to reshape the UK in the image America, (basically more market driven dogma/boll0x) or failing that a sort of facsimile of a tax haven/city state like Singapore or Hong Kong

and they quite rightly (in their eyes) believe they have a mandate from the British people to change the UK

as an aside there was a hilarious / pathetic in equal measure interview with a government minister (Damian Green) on Newsnight the other day

he was asked what we could offer the EU to get this amazing deal we seem to think is ours for the taking

he looked genuinely embarrassed when he said "we can offer them a free trade deal"

the interviewer said - "but they (the EU) already have a free trade deal with us" have we anything else

he simply repeated "we can offer them a free trade deal" and some cr4p about it "mutually beneficial" and in their interests

these guys are fruitcake delusional (tbf - Damian Green was a remainer, so it was pretty obvious he knew he was talking horsesh1t, which explained why he looked so embarrassed)

trails

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I hope they have got a plan, but it worries me if they have because its not been publicised and that can only mean it won't be popular...I hope I am being a dick about all this and the leavers are right, I'll still miss not being a part of the EU and all the benefits that brings though

JTaylor

Hello, is that Sky? Jolly good, Boris here. I'd like to cancel my subscription, but still have access to your services, please. Hello? Hello?

trails

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Seems legit

hodgy0_2

well I do to trails, after all I have quite a lot of skin in this game - a wife & 5 children, who are my absolute focus

I work pretty hard to give them the most magical and fantastic time I possible can, with access to as many opportunities as I can, from learning musical instruments, from schools trips to Africa Spain and Peru to skiing/snowboarding to sailing/windsurfing/swimming through to horse riding and everything else in between

I certainty don't intent to stop

lol,

neil-h

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38695203

So what was he saying about immigrants taking jobs away from the indigenous people?

Dingdongler

I'm not sure I quite see this direct line between Brexit and the break up of the NHS. Both exist, I just can't see the direct link.

We are talking shades of grey though. Imho we have already entered into 'private' contracts that are hugely deleterious to the NHS ie PFI. Skanska are one of the biggest players and are robbing the UK tax payer blind. They are a Swedish ie EU company.

So I'm not sure it makes a difference if US companies get a slice of the action. If you believe privatisation of the NHS is bad then it's neither here where the profiteers are from.

Imho

hodgy0_2

yes, as I understand it the NHS has already allowed private companies "in" - and this is, to some extent a result of EU rulings - I agree

but as I have repeatedly said the EU is not perfect, like some medical cures it has some unwanted side effects - oh for the perfect remedy to all our problems

to think or expect otherwise is to dwell in the realm of the "fallacy of unrealistic expectations"

ok - "direct link" is a turn of phrase not really a "physical link" that one can point to and say "there you go - look at the link"

maybe "direct link" is to strong a phrase

it really describes the direction of travel (as a result of Brexit) - like say, saying the decision in the 80/90's to sell of the national housing stock has lead to the current housing crisis

ALi-B

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Apart from I still use a Sky box and don't have a Sky subscription (freesat).

Maybe that's what Brexit means? Keeping the box and still being able to watch Film 4 and Babestation

BMWhere?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38720320

No great surprise, but the government lost their fight to be a dictatorship and have to get parliament to vote on enacting article 50! Unlikely that parliament will block it unless a lot of Conservatives rebel, but the debate may be a chance to scupper a hard Brexit!

David Lock

Well cheering news from the court Now we just need MPs to realise that now their constituents really know what Brexit will mean - eg turmoil in Scotland, perhaps a return to the bad old days in Eire/NI and 10 years of excruciating negotiations and a currency that is all over the place - meaning that there is now a majority that want nothing more to do with Brexit. Even May might come to appreciate that getting 27 countries to agree is a nigh on impossible task. But I expect the bullies will have their way


David

trails

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Step in the right direction that

hodgy0_2

well the government were always going to lose the vote

if you read/watched the court proceeding their case was pathetically week (on points of constitutional law)

anyway the hard brexit is a given BMWhere

May's speech confirms that - it is a tacit admission that the EU will not allow any substantive compromise on free movement and some sort of preferential access (prob not lawful under WTO anyway) - why the fvck should they

as they (and most people arguing the remain case) said all along "out means out"

a bit like when you say to a child - "don't touch that, it is hot", then they touch it, start to cry and complain you should have said it louder

the whole "cake and eat it" argument was always bullsh1t

The EU rightly or wrongly have always been pretty consistent - May speech was simply a recognition of that

what is amazing is how many Brexiteers admitted during the campaign that leaving the singe market would be bad news - and Norway / Swiss option looked good

but it was all huff and puff

in reality we have no option but to leave the single market and the customs union

interestingly that's why Nissan will review the competitiveness of the Sunderland plants and sections of the banks have upped sticks - as the fog has lifted a bit

Dingdongler

Hi David

Have you anything to back up your claim that there is a 'majority that now want nothing more to do with Brexit'?

Genuine question btw

BMWhere?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7494421.html

There is some evidence although the results are somewhat questionable! Although there is some questions of late on the reliablity of 'scientific' polls, I'm somewhat inclined to believe this poll of polls from local newspapers who have asked people on the street than national polls compiled from cold-calling people - I would certainly be more inclined to tell the truth to someone polling me on the street affiliated with my local rag than some cold-caller interrupting my evening in front of the telly!



http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/19/eu...n-brexit-poll/

This is also an interesting read that shows people support leave even though they know they will be worse off! What's really interesting is the age spread and how its overwhelmingly the old people who are pro leave and its also the old people who are less likely to be worse off! The coffin dodgers have really screwed it for the youth of the country!

You have to wonder what the people are thinking though to say I want this even though its going to make most people poorer!

Paben

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Exit poll data indicated that only 36% in the 18 - 24 age group even bothered to vote, so they screwed themselves

trails

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43% voted in that age group at the last general election...not a valid excuse, but hardly unexpected.

BMWhere?

Most of them were at Glastonbury!

Yes you're right, they should have voted and if the vote were re-run, then there is a high chance many more would! Voting amongst the youth has been shamefully low for decades! But it doesn't change the fact that many people who voted to leave are the ones who won't have to (be able to) live with the consequences!

Paben

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Of course it depends which exit poll you choose to believe. Another claims that over 70% of the youngest age group actually voted. If that's true then many must have voted to leave - so they screwed themselves either way.

BMWhere?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-38731306

Airbus ready to leave if there is a hard Brexit and no concessions for the Aircraft industry!

I'm not sure I like the idea of cherry picking industries/companies to protect from a hard brexit! If they do go hard, then it should be the same rules for everybody!