Switch wiring help :(
02 May 2016, 09:16 AM
#31
Hi Pimmo,
Just to clarify as I think I already know the answer, but have you used 4 of those behind the socket or 2?
I can't imagine it's even possible to get 4 in there and get the socket face back on that's all!
You should be joining each cable individually not pairing them up and using one flying lead. Especially if your using high load equipment like a tumble drier.
The best option for that kind of scenario is use insulated through crimps and extend each cable (both lives and both neutrals) individually. this will give you the room behind the socket to avoid crush damage etc.
I can send you up some through crimps if needed. You'll need to borrow a crimper off someone though
Screwed connections like you have used behind socket faces will result in loose connections due to not having room to move and been been at a radius too tight for the cable etc when you put the socket face back on
Just to clarify as I think I already know the answer, but have you used 4 of those behind the socket or 2?
I can't imagine it's even possible to get 4 in there and get the socket face back on that's all!
You should be joining each cable individually not pairing them up and using one flying lead. Especially if your using high load equipment like a tumble drier.
The best option for that kind of scenario is use insulated through crimps and extend each cable (both lives and both neutrals) individually. this will give you the room behind the socket to avoid crush damage etc.
I can send you up some through crimps if needed. You'll need to borrow a crimper off someone though
Screwed connections like you have used behind socket faces will result in loose connections due to not having room to move and been been at a radius too tight for the cable etc when you put the socket face back on
I've split them into two separate connectors as to reassure myself there would be no cross over. I pushed them in and then removed again to ensure no lose cables or movement and it all seems solid. The plug has been on now for 19 hours and "seems" ok, but I'm all for taking the correct approach. The Earth had enough to be connected without extending.
Would you be able to find a link to the correct crimps please and I will purchase them today and the crimping tool, B&Q ideally
Appreciate your help.
02 May 2016, 09:19 AM
#33
I've split them into two separate connectors as to reassure myself there would be no cross over. I pushed them in and then removed again to ensure no lose cables or movement and it all seems solid. The plug has been on now for 19 hours and "seems" ok, but I'm all for taking the correct approach. The Earth had enough to be connected without extending.
Would you be able to find a link to the correct crimps please and I will purchase them today and the crimping tool, B&Q ideally
Appreciate your help.
Would you be able to find a link to the correct crimps please and I will purchase them today and the crimping tool, B&Q ideally
Appreciate your help.
02 May 2016, 09:52 AM
#37
No problems. As you are aware anyway do each cable individually to prevent any problems. They don't need wrapping in tape or anything either. The tape will loose it's sticky after a few months and become a nasty gooey mess anyway.
Those connectors you have used have actually been banned on the work I do because they are not suitable for anything other than domestic properties IF they are installed correctly. They are adversely effected by vibrations etc and become brittle over the years too.
Those connectors you have used have actually been banned on the work I do because they are not suitable for anything other than domestic properties IF they are installed correctly. They are adversely effected by vibrations etc and become brittle over the years too.
02 May 2016, 10:29 AM
#38
Don't forget to apply for the b&spew trade card....it auto qualifies everyone as a qualified house basher 
...well you would think so with half the numpties at the till
...well you would think so with half the numpties at the till
02 May 2016, 10:32 AM
#39
I know the bits of the regs that i need to know for the work that I'm doing , i don't quote the regs to people that don't need to hear it. I don't feel the need to catch people out if they say something "wrong" unless its dangerous, and even then i wouldn't do it the way you do. You don't know the whole regs do you ? I doubt the OP was confused by what i said as that bit was irrelevant to his query.
All you had to say was "technically" it's the correct cable as it's identified but i see what you mean , and not come across as a "oh aren't i better than you" you're wrong lol PMSL , you're giving the guy wrong advice etc.
There's no need for it and it's a pet hate of mine when people feel the need to lord it over everyone else. Was going to say that crimps were better as connectors have to be secured but couldn't be arsed going to check the regs in case i wasn't wording it right and you felt the need to "call me out" again !
The OP has his answers so happy days , I'm happy. It's my birthday so have better things to be doing.
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All you had to say was "technically" it's the correct cable as it's identified but i see what you mean , and not come across as a "oh aren't i better than you" you're wrong lol PMSL , you're giving the guy wrong advice etc.
There's no need for it and it's a pet hate of mine when people feel the need to lord it over everyone else. Was going to say that crimps were better as connectors have to be secured but couldn't be arsed going to check the regs in case i wasn't wording it right and you felt the need to "call me out" again !
The OP has his answers so happy days , I'm happy. It's my birthday so have better things to be doing.
Unsubscribed.
02 May 2016, 10:45 AM
#40
I know the bits of the regs that i need to know for the work that I'm doing , i don't quote the regs to people that don't need to hear it. I don't feel the need to catch people out if they say something "wrong" unless its dangerous, and even then i wouldn't do it the way you do. You don't know the whole regs do you ? I doubt the OP was confused by what i said as that bit was irrelevant to his query.
All you had to say was "technically" it's the correct cable as it's identified but i see what you mean , and not come across as a "oh aren't i better than you" you're wrong lol PMSL , you're giving the guy wrong advice etc.
There's no need for it and it's a pet hate of mine when people feel the need to lord it over everyone else. Was going to say that crimps were better as connectors have to be secured but couldn't be arsed going to check the regs in case i wasn't wording it right and you felt the need to "call me out" again !
The OP has his answers so happy days , I'm happy. It's my birthday so have better things to be doing.
Unsubscribed.
All you had to say was "technically" it's the correct cable as it's identified but i see what you mean , and not come across as a "oh aren't i better than you" you're wrong lol PMSL , you're giving the guy wrong advice etc.
There's no need for it and it's a pet hate of mine when people feel the need to lord it over everyone else. Was going to say that crimps were better as connectors have to be secured but couldn't be arsed going to check the regs in case i wasn't wording it right and you felt the need to "call me out" again !
The OP has his answers so happy days , I'm happy. It's my birthday so have better things to be doing.
Unsubscribed.
Strange version of events you have going on there....
And if I don't know all the regs I'll go and look it up as it is a case of needing to know them in my position.
Been responsible for 30 electricians it is my job to know.
Either way it's sorted now and everyone is happy. Happy birthday, at least you get a day pff, I'm stuck on call doing switching schedules, permits and SSOW, for network rail. I've got isolate the 11kv ring to change the 1800a mccb on a transformer that failed last night....
And as for lording it up, I don't mean it to sound that way, I just don't have the time for long convoluted posts. I tend to just get straight to the point. So apologies of it seems like that
Last edited by JGlanzaV; 02 May 2016 at 11:20 AM.
03 May 2016, 06:52 PM
#41
ok guys so I did the work yesterday, seems ok, still a tight fit but nothing is touching and everything remained tight.
Thanks for the help .. whilst I'm here
The light in my kitchen is double insulated and thus doesn't utilise the earth cable .. seems a bit odd to me that it works and I haven't touched it, but wondered if that is a standard thing.
Thanks for the help .. whilst I'm here
The light in my kitchen is double insulated and thus doesn't utilise the earth cable .. seems a bit odd to me that it works and I haven't touched it, but wondered if that is a standard thing.
03 May 2016, 09:08 PM
#42
ok guys so I did the work yesterday, seems ok, still a tight fit but nothing is touching and everything remained tight.
Thanks for the help .. whilst I'm here
The light in my kitchen is double insulated and thus doesn't utilise the earth cable .. seems a bit odd to me that it works and I haven't touched it, but wondered if that is a standard thing.
Thanks for the help .. whilst I'm here
The light in my kitchen is double insulated and thus doesn't utilise the earth cable .. seems a bit odd to me that it works and I haven't touched it, but wondered if that is a standard thing.
In fact quite the opposite. If you don't connect it and it is needed then everything will continue to work even with a fault until an earth path is created. Usually the poor ******* who touches the item!
Last edited by JGlanzaV; 03 May 2016 at 09:10 PM.
04 May 2016, 07:14 AM
#43
The earth cable doesn't do anything unless there is a fault. So it wouldn't stop anything from working if it wasn't connected to
In fact quite the opposite. If you don't connect it and it is needed then everything will continue to work even with a fault until an earth path is created. Usually the poor ******* who touches the item!
In fact quite the opposite. If you don't connect it and it is needed then everything will continue to work even with a fault until an earth path is created. Usually the poor ******* who touches the item!
No I get that, but why wouldn't you use an earth, I Googled the light and it says not to. Seems to me you'd want as much protection as possible.
04 May 2016, 07:21 AM
#44
Because it is double insulat3d there are no exposed or extraneous live parts to touch so even if there was a fault you couldn't be harmed by it.
04 May 2016, 08:46 AM
#46
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