Should we take on more assylum seekers
24 August 2015, 08:49 PM
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For starters it is not lefty crap.
You say they wouldn't be starving at home. Yes they would. You seem to have no comprehension of what many of their lives were really like. Do you think they travelled to France for the food - no that came because their neighbours were being beheaded and their daughters kidnapped and raped. What would you do if your family were in this situation?
And to suggest that they should be shot just makes your post inhumane and ridiculous.
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You say they wouldn't be starving at home. Yes they would. You seem to have no comprehension of what many of their lives were really like. Do you think they travelled to France for the food - no that came because their neighbours were being beheaded and their daughters kidnapped and raped. What would you do if your family were in this situation?
And to suggest that they should be shot just makes your post inhumane and ridiculous.
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Absolutely this. But for accident of birth, it could be any one of us. I would hope that all of us would do whatever it takes to ensure our family's safety and futures when our world is turned upside down. The facts that are being ignored here are who these people really are. They've been dehumanised and demonised in 'certain sections' of the media, and some people unfortunately believe the untruths and half truths.
German people have a different outlook on this, 93% saying it is right to give asylum to those fleeing conflict. Warehouses throughout the country are stacked with donated clothing and stuff. Gemany expects up to 800,000 aslylum applications in 2015. The only people upset about this are the small minority of Neo *****.
Sounds to me like Alcazar is proposing a Final Solution.
German people have a different outlook on this, 93% saying it is right to give asylum to those fleeing conflict. Warehouses throughout the country are stacked with donated clothing and stuff. Gemany expects up to 800,000 aslylum applications in 2015. The only people upset about this are the small minority of Neo *****.
Sounds to me like Alcazar is proposing a Final Solution.
27 August 2015, 12:04 AM
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just to point out a awfull lot of these people have spent lot's of money with smugglers to get them as far as france, does that not tell you something, THEY HAD MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE AND JUST WANT MORE, like all of us do, commercial greed has got as far as the people now not just the big corperations
27 August 2015, 12:03 PM
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http://news.sky.com/story/1542470/ne...ew-record-high
330000 population increase. Interesting to note the ONS says 53000 new Romanians and Bulgarians, but NI applications from those countries was in fact 192000. Deliberately downplayed for political reasons? Its almost like Nigel Farage called it right....
330000 population increase. Interesting to note the ONS says 53000 new Romanians and Bulgarians, but NI applications from those countries was in fact 192000. Deliberately downplayed for political reasons? Its almost like Nigel Farage called it right....
27 August 2015, 02:10 PM
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02 September 2015, 08:34 AM
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They CANNOT legally travel across a load of states to apply for asylum here.
End of.
They aren't asylum seekers at all, they are economic migrants....and we don't either need, or want them!
02 September 2015, 09:30 AM
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There is no obligation under the refugee convention or any other instrument of international law that requires refugees to seek asylum in any particular country. There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined.
The domestic law on this issue is contained in the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants etc) Act 2004 and the immigration rules. Schedule 3 to the 2004 act contains lists of countries that are deemed to be safe for the purposes of the refugee convention and the UK's obligations under the European convention on human rights (for example, the obligation not to expose anyone to a real risk of torture or inhuman or degrading treatment).
The immigration rules state, however, that the secretary of state will only remove an asylum seeker to a safe third country if there is clear evidence that the country concerned will admit the person. This will be so if the person has arrived in the UK via another safe country and had an opportunity at the border of or within that country to claim asylum. The mere fact that the person has passed through another country does not necessarily mean there was an opportunity to claim asylum; if an agent planned the journey and the person was hidden in a vehicle for the duration of it, for example, there is unlikely to have been any realistic opportunity for the person to approach the authorities.
The domestic law on this issue is contained in the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants etc) Act 2004 and the immigration rules. Schedule 3 to the 2004 act contains lists of countries that are deemed to be safe for the purposes of the refugee convention and the UK's obligations under the European convention on human rights (for example, the obligation not to expose anyone to a real risk of torture or inhuman or degrading treatment).
The immigration rules state, however, that the secretary of state will only remove an asylum seeker to a safe third country if there is clear evidence that the country concerned will admit the person. This will be so if the person has arrived in the UK via another safe country and had an opportunity at the border of or within that country to claim asylum. The mere fact that the person has passed through another country does not necessarily mean there was an opportunity to claim asylum; if an agent planned the journey and the person was hidden in a vehicle for the duration of it, for example, there is unlikely to have been any realistic opportunity for the person to approach the authorities.
02 September 2015, 02:13 PM
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So where are you getting this information from? You really think these people are crossing seas, crawling through forests, dying in their thousands along the way, just to get an outside chance of landing a zero hours job stacking shelves and paying out all they earn in rent, and getting abuse from people like you? Get a grip.
02 September 2015, 02:17 PM
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02 September 2015, 04:06 PM
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So where are you getting this information from? You really think these people are crossing seas, crawling through forests, dying in their thousands along the way, just to get an outside chance of landing a zero hours job stacking shelves and paying out all they earn in rent, and getting abuse from people like you? Get a grip.
Anyone who says not is a deluded fool.
My family has been affected by an open gate immigration policy.
NO MORE!!!!
02 September 2015, 05:07 PM
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There is no obligation under the refugee convention or any other instrument of international law that requires refugees to seek asylum in any particular country. There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined.
The domestic law on this issue is contained in the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants etc) Act 2004 and the immigration rules. Schedule 3 to the 2004 act contains lists of countries that are deemed to be safe for the purposes of the refugee convention and the UK's obligations under the European convention on human rights (for example, the obligation not to expose anyone to a real risk of torture or inhuman or degrading treatment).
The immigration rules state, however, that the secretary of state will only remove an asylum seeker to a safe third country if there is clear evidence that the country concerned will admit the person. This will be so if the person has arrived in the UK via another safe country and had an opportunity at the border of or within that country to claim asylum. The mere fact that the person has passed through another country does not necessarily mean there was an opportunity to claim asylum; if an agent planned the journey and the person was hidden in a vehicle for the duration of it, for example, there is unlikely to have been any realistic opportunity for the person to approach the authorities.
The domestic law on this issue is contained in the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants etc) Act 2004 and the immigration rules. Schedule 3 to the 2004 act contains lists of countries that are deemed to be safe for the purposes of the refugee convention and the UK's obligations under the European convention on human rights (for example, the obligation not to expose anyone to a real risk of torture or inhuman or degrading treatment).
The immigration rules state, however, that the secretary of state will only remove an asylum seeker to a safe third country if there is clear evidence that the country concerned will admit the person. This will be so if the person has arrived in the UK via another safe country and had an opportunity at the border of or within that country to claim asylum. The mere fact that the person has passed through another country does not necessarily mean there was an opportunity to claim asylum; if an agent planned the journey and the person was hidden in a vehicle for the duration of it, for example, there is unlikely to have been any realistic opportunity for the person to approach the authorities.
Alcazar is completely immune to the facts - pointless posting them as he'll never accept he was wrong in the first place.
02 September 2015, 05:09 PM
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So their biggest motivation is to come here and clain benefits? Silly me I thought they were escaping a bloody awful civil war!
02 September 2015, 05:19 PM
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How many Poles are camping out in Calais, seeking asylum in the UK? None. Because they can pretty much just get on a plane and come here. EU and all that.
It seems that the concept of what asylum means is beyond the brain power of most people.
It seems that the concept of what asylum means is beyond the brain power of most people.
02 September 2015, 05:21 PM
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You're wasting your breath, my friend.
02 September 2015, 06:00 PM
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Europe is sending out the signal that if you get into Europe through whatever means, you're granted residency. With an almost infinite amount of people in developing countries with booming populations able to see this, and improve their standard of living by getting to the EU, then of course more and more will come. Do you honestly not see any issues here?
Sadly Europe is facing an almost perfect storm right now. Almost all EU countries are deeply in debt, and borrowing vast sums to continue with their unsustainable welfare services which were already overstretched before migration levels started to skyrocket. Economic outputs are stagnant at best despite years of quantitative easing, near zero interest rates. Unemployment rates are high to very high, especially youth unemployment rates in countries like Spain, Italy and Greece all with 25-45%. Vast numbers of extra people is going to create even more pressure on overstretched services, increased competition for jobs, school places, healthcare, housing. Social unrest is almost a certainty.
I don't know what the solution to this situation, but it's clearly unprecedented and is certain to have profound implications on the future of many European countries.
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02 September 2015, 07:21 PM
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What's amazing is how people are checking their standards of living before , in reference to putting up asylum SEEKERS.....
There are much poorer countries in the world who are inundated actually inundated with refugees
There are much poorer countries in the world who are inundated actually inundated with refugees
02 September 2015, 08:37 PM
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Clearly those fleeing Syria are genuine refugees and their plight can't be ignored, but surely even you have to admit a significant proportion of the migrants coming to Europe are essentially classed as 'economic migrants'?
Europe is sending out the signal that if you get into Europe through whatever means, you're granted residency. With an almost infinite amount of people in developing countries with booming populations able to see this, and improve their standard of living by getting to the EU, then of course more and more will come. Do you honestly not see any issues here?
Sadly Europe is facing an almost perfect storm right now. Almost all EU countries are deeply in debt, and borrowing vast sums to continue with their unsustainable welfare services which were already overstretched before migration levels started to skyrocket. Economic outputs are stagnant at best despite years of quantitative easing, near zero interest rates. Unemployment rates are high to very high, especially youth unemployment rates in countries like Spain, Italy and Greece all with 25-45%. Vast numbers of extra people is going to create even more pressure on overstretched services, increased competition for jobs, school places, healthcare, housing. Social unrest is almost a certainty.
I don't know what the solution to this situation, but it's clearly unprecedented and is certain to have profound implications on the future of many European countries.
Europe is sending out the signal that if you get into Europe through whatever means, you're granted residency. With an almost infinite amount of people in developing countries with booming populations able to see this, and improve their standard of living by getting to the EU, then of course more and more will come. Do you honestly not see any issues here?
Sadly Europe is facing an almost perfect storm right now. Almost all EU countries are deeply in debt, and borrowing vast sums to continue with their unsustainable welfare services which were already overstretched before migration levels started to skyrocket. Economic outputs are stagnant at best despite years of quantitative easing, near zero interest rates. Unemployment rates are high to very high, especially youth unemployment rates in countries like Spain, Italy and Greece all with 25-45%. Vast numbers of extra people is going to create even more pressure on overstretched services, increased competition for jobs, school places, healthcare, housing. Social unrest is almost a certainty.
I don't know what the solution to this situation, but it's clearly unprecedented and is certain to have profound implications on the future of many European countries.
Germany expect 800,000 in 12 months , but Id like to see the true war refugees housed and educated but the economic ones sent back and more done to stop idiots putting 100's in polyester boats with 10 hp engines and only enough fuel to cross the Serpentine , most of all Id like to see all countries (including non EU Scandinavians) deal with them on a GDP basis , even the Greeks could take some. In return for the more equal spread out Germany should also get involved with Military action outside its boarder to stop the Genocide , its got more than enough reason to make up for in this respect.
02 September 2015, 09:28 PM
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There is no obligation for the U.K. to take anyone.
The only responsibility here is a perceived moral one.
My preference would have been for us to have left well alone, if the sub-continent wants to devote itself to self-destruction then so what?
However we are where we are now, and so I hope for one thing. If we take any in, can they all be engineers, or doctors, or just something other than more unskilled labour.
The only responsibility here is a perceived moral one.
My preference would have been for us to have left well alone, if the sub-continent wants to devote itself to self-destruction then so what?
However we are where we are now, and so I hope for one thing. If we take any in, can they all be engineers, or doctors, or just something other than more unskilled labour.
02 September 2015, 09:34 PM
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In my opinion there should be more effort on deporting economic migrations to take those genuinely in need in their place. He is correct that just opening the flood gates isn't the answer though, and more needs to be done to stabilise the countries these people come from.
I'm honestly not sure why more isn't being done to combat the spread of ISIS. Would imagine public support would be in favour of a massive multinational force taking them on, but maybe they see it as something that would descend into a guerrilla war that could not be won.
02 September 2015, 09:59 PM
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There is no obligation for the U.K. to take anyone.
The only responsibility here is a perceived moral one.
My preference would have been for us to have left well alone, if the sub-continent wants to devote itself to self-destruction then so what?
However we are where we are now, and so I hope for one thing. If we take any in, can they all be engineers, or doctors, or just something other than more unskilled labour.
The only responsibility here is a perceived moral one.
My preference would have been for us to have left well alone, if the sub-continent wants to devote itself to self-destruction then so what?
However we are where we are now, and so I hope for one thing. If we take any in, can they all be engineers, or doctors, or just something other than more unskilled labour.
02 September 2015, 10:11 PM
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The recent moral stance taken by Germany demonstrates exactly what will happen if concessions are made.
Germany is now a magnet for migrants.
Hooray for Germany.
Give it time and the German public will regret this decision. Big time.
Germany is now a magnet for migrants.
Hooray for Germany.
Give it time and the German public will regret this decision. Big time.
